Conde Hermanos makes capos/cejillas????

[Marcos]

I was looking Conde Hermanos' website and I was shocked to see that they make capos.. wow they're beautiful.. anyone know where i can find one?!!! I am not going to Madrid, mind you ;) :lol:

[NGiorgio]

There are two Conde Hermanos cejilla's for sale on ebay. I think they are listed as flamenco cejillas. They are very nice looking.

[Marcos]

yes, I saw those. I was thinking of more of a store online or something that had them. I'm not particularly fond of those two on Ebay :), I will keep checking there though to see if he has any different ones.

[NGiorgio]

I would have to say that the one with the half moon Conde headstock design on the peg, is a bit much but there is some real nice craftsmanship going on there.

Keith is our resident cejilla expert. Maybe he will have some suggestions.

[keith]

thanks nick for the accolades. i guess i am only an expert because i make them (and sell them if someone wants to buy one). i started to make my own because the commerical ones always had peg/hole problems.

the conde ones are very striking--a lot more decorative than mine--i use indian rosewood and let the wood speak for itself. i made a couple yesterday that have nice purple streaks in them.

the problem with cejillas that are commerically produced are: the peg (eventually they slip and are loose) and the pad (leather which needs more tension to really grip the strings). i see these problems in the conde cejillas. i personally use industrial-lathed 1/8 rosewood violin pegs and use rubber gasket material.

i looked on ebay and $60 is a lot--but the conde's are pretty, no doubt. mine are rosewood, plain janes if you will, but a whole lot cheaper.

[APERTURE]

Keith,
I'd like more info on your cejillas.
Thanks.

[ykabban]

I visited the felipe V shop a year and a half ago. I bought three of his best cejillas, non of which look like the ones on ebay. In fact, his most expensive one is plain brazilian rosewood with 2 thin strips of colored veneer near the pad and a high quality ebony 1/4 size violin peg. I'm suspicious.

Hey keith- I made my own cejilla using cocobolo and an ebony peg. I'll try to take some pics and post them, see what you think.

[NGiorgio]

I have one of Keiths cejillas. It is plain as he mentioned, but as with many things, less is more. It is very nicely done and works well. It looks terrific on my blanca.

Keith, have you thought of making, for your Conde, an ebony cejilla with ebony peg, black rubber pad, black leather strap and just for a little contrast, a gold colored nylon string? I would think it would look great on a lacquer finished Conde.

One of these days, I am going to make one.

[keith]

ykabban:

the first generation cejillas i made had 1/2 size violin pegs. i then went to 1/4 and now 1/8. the head size decreases 1/16 inch per size: so a 1/8 peg is 2/16 narrower than a 1/2 (this per the violin supplier). the shaft difference is not that much (maybe 1/32). the width of a 1/8 is about 11-12mm wide. 1/16 is difficult to find and the only ones i have found are ebony--which i avoid because ebony is brittle and easily broken is such a small size--and i prefer rosewood for the looks.

to anyone interested:

i have written a how to make your own cejilla blurb and if you would like it i can e-mail it to you. here is my e-mail address (work) prattk@vinfen.org

it only requires a drill, drill bits, and sanding disk. by the way, i finish mine in shellac (it took a while to let the french polishing technique that i can live with).

[Marcos]

Keith, I didn't know you sold Cejillas, I Have a friend who might be interested in one, I may be interested in one later ;) anyways. contact you through email? or? how do you prefer.

[keith]

marcos: technically i am not selling them. g.s.i. has a policy that the forum is not a market place i want to honor that. i posted my e-mail address if folks want to try their hand at it. they are easy to make and since they are the fruits of your labor, they are that much more special. give me a hoot (e-mail) and i will send the instructions.

in my earlier post i said i sell them if someone wants one, but to be honest, i have not sold one nor have i advertised them--i made them for myself and a couple of buds. nick (ngiorgio) being one of them--he did something nice for me.

nick: i used a piece of the brazillian rosewood and it is very dark with a few pink lines showing. personally i really like cocobolo and indian rosewood but all black is do-able. yesterday i made a couple out of indian rosewood with purple lines showing--and i finally got the french polishing down so it looks good. thank you for the compliment. yes, they are plain janes compared to the conde ones but i think they work better and inspire better playing......

maybe if i go into business my tag line should be: WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO PUT A CEJILLA ON YOUR GUITAR TODAY? of course, with the price i have to go to the backroom and discuss it with my supervisor.

[NGiorgio]

Then you will come back with a counter proposal and did you want an up grade on the peg or an extended warranty on the cejilla. By the way, did you want to buy or lease your cejilla, today .....

Seriously, I thought that a all black cejilla would look so cool on the Conde orange finish. I sort of prefer the rosewood myself. They have a certain character from the wood grain and coloration.

[keith]

ok nick, here goes: i can get you a black cejilla convertible! this baby will turn heads, has a 100,000 mile warranty and gets great gas mileage. and i can get it for you in a matter of days....just let me call our distributor........he says the radio is AM only but for only $1500 i can get you a kick a$$ c.d. player--installed at that.

actually making a black one would be easy--a little stain and ebony peg. getting ebony in that size would be an investment into a biz i am not really in.

[NGiorgio]

A convertible must be in red, w/white top and a built in radar/laser detector.
2 year lease. The stereo must play only classical and flamenco guitar music.

How about some scrap ebony pieces from Aaron's shop?

[flamencoguru]

I visited the felipe V shop a year and a half ago. I bought three of his best cejillas, non of which look like the ones on ebay. In fact, his most expensive one is plain brazilian rosewood with 2 thin strips of colored veneer near the pad and a high quality ebony 1/4 size violin peg. I'm suspicious.

Hey keith- I made my own cejilla using cocobolo and an ebony peg. I'll try to take some pics and post them, see what you think.

Hello ykabban,

I was wondering why you're suspicious of the Hermanos Conde capo? I was in the Felipe V shop about 2 weeks ago and he (meaning they because there are 2 builders, Mariano and Felipe.... oh, and the builders that build some of the top models in Valencia) had a whole slue of capos very similar to the one I saw on ebay. I believe they change models from time to time. I have one from that shop from about ten years ago and it has nothing to do with the ones they have now.

Anyway, I think they're great capos and that they work great. The one I bought 10 years ago is still gripping like the first day I bought it.

Cheers

P.S. By the way I'm a new member to the forum. I've seen some very interesting discussions. I'm looking forward to reading more!!

[NGiorgio]

Welcome, flamencoguru.

Nice to have another flamenco here.

Did you bring back anything interesting from Felipe#5?

[flamencoguru]

Hello NGiorgio,

I didn't bring back anything from the Felipe V Shop. I'm not particularly fond of their guitars. Nice construction but no sound (at least the ones I've played, and I've played about 30 of them). Anyway, I brought back a guitar from Juan Miguel González from Almería, Spain. I has depth and a very andalusian sound. It´s more along the lines of a Reyes or Miguel Rodríguez from Córdoba. It´s brand new so it will be a while before it is completely opened up. He's a great constructor and person. Tomatito, Manolo Franco and Carlos Piñana are some top dogs playing his intruments. He just built one for Isidro Muñoz (the brother of Manolo Sanlúcar).

Cheers

[ykabban]

flamencoguru:

It was felipe that I talked to and purchased the cejillas from. You're right, they are constantly doing something new over there. I'm just suspicious about ebay as a whole 8) . I remember being amazed that there was no saw-dust anywhere in the shop, not even downstairs. Did you notice that? Did you happen to see or play any of the new Esteso editions? later.

[keith]

nick--seeing halloween items at the local drug store this morning (and this before the feast of the madonna this weekend!!) it dawned on me: an orange conde and a black cejilla that you suggested--i can be esteban in drag (a la charo) for halloween: i can parade around the neighborhood with my orange and black conde (your typical halloween colors).

coochie coochie, ya wanna buy a guitar!

hey flamencoguru--welcome and i second ngiorgio's sentiments. maybe the problem with the conde's were they were strung with conde strings.

[NGiorgio]

flamencoguru,

Good luck with the new guitar. I have heard of the guitars of Gonzalez. Not ever seen or heard one yet, in person. Sounds like you are in good company.

ykabban,

No saw-dust on the floor of the Conde shop. Wow. Most luthier's shops that I have visited, have saw-dust just about everywhere. However, just a few months ago, I visited Florida luthier Robert Desmond, and his shop was immaculate. There were a number of guitars in various stages of construction but he had just completed the finish work on a couple which may account for the extra cleanliness. As for the Conde shop, perhaps the rough work is done elsewhere ..... or maybe ... no, that's only a rumour. Isn't it?

Keith,

Did you buy the black flamenco hat, the shades and the ponytail?

[jetiii]

Kieth
Don't you also need a tapered reamer to fiish the hole so it matches the peg? Or, do you have antoher method. Cejillas ssem hard to find. I got one from GSA but it split in half after a year. I have reverted to my old reliable, a sturdy ebony one made and given to me over 30 years ago by Jose Oribe. Had to replace the peg finally but it still works fine. I use leather for the strap.

[keith]

actually i have to cut most of the peg off otherwise the peg would stick up at least an inch or so--not good. i drill a hole the diameter of the peg--the bit i use is slightly less so i lightly file to get everything to fit. to fit pegs into a head, a reamer is necessary at the time of construction but this is a different application of a peg.