Right hand exercizer thingy

[knucklebrain1970]

Hi, does anybody know where I can get one of those right hand exercizer things. When I was looking for a guitar I saw about 300 of them. Now that I want one they're nowhere to be found. All it is is a little thing with 6 strings on it you use to practice your right hand technique. I don't even know what the **** it's called. Any help is appreciated.

Kevin

[Libre]

I've seen them at Sam Ash. BUT - I wouldn't want to use something like that. Are you familiar with the sad story of Robert Schumann?

[racer_x]

You have me wondering what happened to him. I also would like to see a picture of the practicing device he is talking about. I have seen the ones with the springs on them, but that is just for strengthening your muscles.

[adrian]

Our Guitar Mute is a very popular item for exercising the right hand:
:arrow: Guitar Mute (http://www.guitarsalon.com/store.php?it=ACGUIMU-03401)

[knucklebrain1970]

Dammit that's what I was looking for and I looked on GSI as well :roll:
Ok, so what happened to this guy? Horsesh*t or what? Come on, I'm contemplating on getting one of these? Spill it already. Yay or Neigh?
Kevin

[jjoel84]

Best Right hand exersise? etude no1/ Villa-Lobos. you Dont realy need those other gizmos. you think Bream Did?

[dennis]

Schumann had a hand injury when he was relatively young and it derailed his playing, but not his composing, which his wife Clara played.

[deAlmeida]

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[dennis]

Just my 2 cents. I would skip it. I got a martin backpacker that I used while travelling and not only is it a piece of s&%t, but by playing in the wrong position, you can mess up your wrist muscles. With the way this would be positioned, it would be hard to play it the same way you would normally play. If you need to practice in your off time, and don't want to make noise, put a cejilla across the 0 fret to damp the strings, but getting your right hand in a different position, in my opinion, is asking for some damage.

Jjoel - villa lobos etude #1 is great, on an easier level, York's snowflight is very good, So are the Segovia/Sor studies #2,5 & 17.

[Sandra]

dennis, I agree with some of your comments. I looked at some of the "travel" guitars like the backpacker and decided they weren't for me. I ended up with a Soloette, which simulates the feel of a full-sized guitar. The string noise is barely audible, so I can play it in the next room without disturbing my husband when he's trying to sleep. :)

[knucklebrain1970]

well, here's the deal, I sit at work and literally ROT for 9 hours. Imagine sitting in a chair for 9 hours doing nothing. Well, it's called being an Oracle Database Administrator. So I figured with this thing I might spend some time doing something useful with my life, but most seem to think it's a hinderance rather than a help? Also, I can't bring my guitar to work. That would be illegal, people would be seeing me having fun and get upset, being the ******g rat fink sorriful bastards they are. Can you tell I'm a people person?

Kevin

[Libre]

Robert Schumann, according to the Music History teachers in the NYC Public School System in the 60's, permanently injured his hands by attempting to strenghen them. Schumann was an aspiring pianist, and was vexed with the lack of independence between the little finger and ring finger. We guitarists also know that the m,a or a,m combination is usually the weakest. Striving to eliminate that weakness, Schumann devised a system of weights and pullies that he attached to his keyboard. The purpose of the device was to force the fingers to work harder, to fight the resistance of the weights.
Long story short: The guy ruined his hands permanently, never could play the piano after that and turned to composing - which is why you've heard of him today. Had he just been a pianist, he probably would have receeded into history anonymously, but his compositions survived and you have heard of him and now you have heard why.

[knucklebrain1970]

Well you have to admit, weights and a guitar mute are 2 completely seperate things, correct? What would be the harm in practicing with a guitar mute? I understand about the position thing, but what if one could mimick the natural position of playing but with the guitar mute?

Kevin

[cdikland]

Imagine sitting in a chair for 9 hours doing nothing. Well, it's called being an Oracle Database Administrator.
Kevin
A DBA with nothing to do... :roll: Never heard of such a thing. Isnt that kinda like having a very expensive guitar that doesnt make any sound????
Maybe your company switched to DB2 and didnt tell ya.. :shock:

[Libre]

Well you have to admit, weights and a guitar mute are 2 completely seperate things, correct? What would be the harm in practicing with a guitar mute? I understand about the position thing, but what if one could mimick the natural position of playing but with the guitar mute?

Kevin

Oh, for sure. I really have no idea what this mute thing is - but originally the question was about an "exerciser" that made me think of those springy things you squeeze and that made me think of Schumann.

[knucklebrain1970]

Well you have to admit, weights and a guitar mute are 2 completely seperate things, correct? What would be the harm in practicing with a guitar mute? I understand about the position thing, but what if one could mimick the natural position of playing but with the guitar mute?

Kevin

Oh, for sure. I really have no idea what this mute thing is - but originally the question was about an "exerciser" that made me think of those springy things you squeeze and that made me think of Schumann.


Oh I gotcha. Yeah I was thinking about one of those as well, but now I'm not sure if it's a good idea. Well yeah, I'm a DBA, a very lazy one. I hate Oracle and I hate IT and I hate software, but I'm stuck doing something I hate, 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. Ain't life grand?

[Libre]

Well yeah, I'm a DBA, a very lazy one. I hate Oracle and I hate IT and I hate software, but I'm stuck doing something I hate, 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. Ain't life grand?

Hey Knuck-

I can relate. But in my case, the owner of the company I work for (happens to be my brother) can call me anytime, day or nite. So I'm stuck with something I hate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. At least when you leave, you leave.
I'm also alone much of the day here. I've used my right-hand exerciser, but probably not the one you were referring to.

[knucklebrain1970]

Well yeah, I'm a DBA, a very lazy one. I hate Oracle and I hate IT and I hate software, but I'm stuck doing something I hate, 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. Ain't life grand?

Hey Knuck-

I can relate. But in my case, the owner of the company I work for (happens to be my brother) can call me anytime, day or nite. So I'm stuck with something I hate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. At least when you leave, you leave.
I'm also alone much of the day here. I've used my right-hand exerciser, but probably not the one you were referring to.

Are you referring to a different exercizer that I don't know about? If so please tell, or are you referring to the exercizer that all of us males have? If so, you can keep that to yourself :lol:

That's what I hate the most, I'm in a little grey office 9 hours a day with no interaction with people. Nobody even knows I exist, which I suppose can be good I guess, but I just feel alone :cry: and man is not designed to be alone. Software sux and was the biggest mistake of my life. Life is intrinsically supposed to be fun, and it's not, my true-self (spirit) knows that and that's why this is such a battle for me each and every day. However, that's a topic for the metaphysics forum :lol:

[Libre]

are you referring to the exercizer that all of us males have?

well...that's the one.

[daniel711]

Hey knucklebrain
Life doesn't have to be so bad.... I'm an EPA Scientist with very little to do for 91/2 hours a day. So....I sit here in my windowed office facing the Hudson River in Lower Manhattan with my little radio playing on 96.3 or 89.9 (Bach festival), do a little day trading in stocks, get into the guitar forums, occaisionally lecture people about the environment, and have my evenings and weekends free to practice guitar... Life is what we make it :)

[Libre]

Changed my mind.

[daniel711]

Ok,OK....not gloating just shooting the breeze :roll: Life is typing this post right now..................

[Libre]

Didn't think you were gloating.

[daniel711]

Libre-
Reflecting on my previous post - my point was that I could just "rot" for 9 hours a day too, but I try to turn it around by playing the radio, chatting on the web, trading stock, enjoying the view, etc... Sometimes the exact same picture can be viewed in more than one light, that's all....

[Jubilee Valence]

Well you have to admit, weights and a guitar mute are 2 completely seperate things, correct? What would be the harm in practicing with a guitar mute? I understand about the position thing, but what if one could mimick the natural position of playing but with the guitar mute?

Kevin

Oh, for sure. I really have no idea what this mute thing is - but originally the question was about an "exerciser" that made me think of those springy things you squeeze and that made me think of Schumann.


Oh I gotcha. Yeah I was thinking about one of those as well, but now I'm not sure if it's a good idea. Well yeah, I'm a DBA, a very lazy one. I hate Oracle and I hate IT and I hate software, but I'm stuck doing something I hate, 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. Ain't life grand? :twisted: Hey Kev! excellent thread..re:Mute-BR is right on w/ position info & that's easy to mimic at desk "stealthily"-Springy-thingy info search Iron Grip for grippers-lowest is @100in lb(?) as generics are all @ 40in lb & pretty much worthless.They work entire area/body & I dont believe you could damage any "fine" connections-I do the heavier ones but not to O.D. of course!-Hasta-Jubi 8) :arrow: EDIT-forgot to mention-"awesome responses"

[DWPC]

deleted; redundant. Sorry.

[knucklebrain1970]

Well, I do surf the web for 9 hours a day, but that gets old. I have no radio and no window either. Yes, life is what we make it, however my problem is that my true self knows I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing, which is healing, something that comes natural to me. I have healed may aches and pains for many people, including curing my wifes agonizing pain she lived with for years due to flat feet. I have performed no miracles however :lol:
This is what I am supposed to be doing, I love it, I feel it, but unfortunately, I made a ton of money back in the .com days as a consultant, created an enormous ammount of debt like a fool and now I make 1/2 of what I did and every dime pretty much goes for bills, and there is no way out. My goal is to become a Reiki Master, but I don't have the money or time to pursue my dream without just pulling the plug on my ship and starting from ground zero again; which by the way is looking more attractive each day. To wake up and do something which you hate day in, day out, is a fate worse than death as far as I'm concerned. So, I'm buying that Guitar mute thing from GSI so at least at work I'll have something to do. I need to progress, and that might be a good tool for the right hand, especially tremelo techniques if I can figure a way to anchor it in the proper position, whereas not to create a detrement to my progression. I am obsessed with classical guitar mastery. I'm 34 now and I wish I stuck with it 10 years ago or whenever I started out on the classical. However age is just a number. It's not about the number, it's about the body.

To the guy who posted about the gripper exercizer. Could you expand on what you were talking about? I have no idea what you said. Could you explain it in simple terms? Like, it's useless because, or it will help because. Thanks everyone.

Kevin

[Jubilee Valence]

Well, I do...

To the guy who posted about the gripper exercizer. Could you expand on what you were talking about? I have no idea what you said. Could you explain it in simple terms? Like, it's useless because, or it will help because. Thanks everyone.

Kevin sorry 'bout that Kev :oops: (your comment has been echoed by most of our fellow members..)I was referring to the "grip strengthening" exercisers sold at most athletic supply stores.They typically consist of two ergometrically designed handles 4 inches long & about 3 inches apart, connected at one end by a single coiled spring at an approx. 40degree angle.Fitting in either hand,you squeeze the handles together(1handle at the base of thumb, the other held by fingers) & in so doing,generate an exercise movement.The common store bought variety has the "pressure" indicated in the 1st post, and the specialty models,of which there are 2(manufacturers) thus far,have immensely higher pressures,for further grip-strength training.If this is not the "springy-thingy" in the discussion,I will certainly reserve my comments accordingly.--Jubi p.s.I'm not sure if Adrian et el would feel compelled to refund the price of the "mute"-to a "brute" so go easy!! :lol: oh yeah- they're called "Captains of Crush" & "Iron Grips".Now the spring of course is made from space-age technology laminated piano wire...the 300+inlb...only person in the world...new record..blah blah..jeez.. :twisted:

[jdschoe@juno.com]

About hand & finger exercisers: the D'Addario subsidiary, Planet Waves, makes one called "Gripmaster" which is supposedly geared to guitarists. There's a blurb about it on their Humidity & Temperature Sensor box: "Individual spring-loaded button isolates each finger; Builds strength, endurance for fingers, hand, wrist, and forearm; Pocket-size-practice anytime, anywhere."

I don't think it would do much for boredom. Probably it would help left hands more than right hands. It doesn't look dangerous.....but anything to excess, as they say. but I doubt it would be addictive or cause one to go blind.

[Graeme]

Had a GuitarMute for about six months now and find it absolutely invaluable for practicing flamenco rasgueados. It takes a day or two to get used to holding it and it generally not feeling like a guitar but then development can be rapid. You are simply more likely to practice for longer. My right-hand finger strength and independence have improved greatly. Can't vouch for its usefulness for other right-hand techniques but these are demonstrated on the accompanying DVD.
Graeme

[Jubilee Valence]

bada bing bada click :arrow: http://www.planet-waves.com/Ptoolsdetails.aspx?ID=6 EDIT also :arrow: http://www.ironmind.com/ironcms/opencms/IronMind/Main/captainsofcrush1.html :?: --Gonna be Ken or G.I.Joe.. ?:lol: :lol: :P :twisted: (..addictive..blind?--ambidextrous eh?)

[Great Googly Moogly]

Hi, does anybody know where I can get one of those right hand exercizer things. When I was looking for a guitar I saw about 300 of them. Now that I want one they're nowhere to be found. All it is is a little thing with 6 strings on it you use to practice your right hand technique. I don't even know what the **** it's called. Any help is appreciated.

KevinI could not have said this any better myself. I had one that had a pull-down plate for tapping (golpe) that I really liked and can not find it for the life of me. So I'm trying to buy another one just like it. I'm pretty sure I was led to this one through these forums the first time but haven't been successful in finding it here in the archives here, either. I did a Google search using the key words "guitar mute" and found almost nothing. I hope that one day, someone will come up with a coherent name for these things that everybody aggress on to make them easier to find. A friend of mine calls it a "ratoneda" <--sp? which is supposed to mean "rat trap" in Spanish. This is no help either, of course! Any input or links are greatly appreciated.

[Sandra]

Is this the doohickey you're looking for?

https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/shop.php?PHPSESSID=09b4fca8a6edd2e6d13d44147061d16 d&vshopferca=09b4fca8a6edd2e6d13d44147061d16d&op_shop=show&id_prod=2326&id_lang=2

Looks like at one time GSI carried it.

http://v2or.wordpress.com/2005/05/17/pratice-guitar-mute/

Maybe you could ask Dave Tate about it.

[Great Googly Moogly]

Thanks for your efforts, Sandra, I found it! The one I was looking for was the Reinaldo Rivero Finger Trainer by Shaddow Electronics. http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewpro.html?lang_id=&id=203 (http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewpro.html?lang_id=&id=203)

"Guitar Finger Trainer" were the key words that I wound up needing for the Google search!

[waynekerr]

Thanks for your efforts, Sandra, I found it! The one I was looking for was the Reinaldo Rivero Finger Trainer by Shaddow Electronics. http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewpro.html?lang_id=&id=203 (http://www.shadow-electronics.com/viewpro.html?lang_id=&id=203)

"Guitar Finger Trainer" were the key words that I wound up needing for the Google search!

I am interested in this gizmo too, as I spend Mon-Fri 9 to 5 in a dull office job (which I have to do for a few more years because of family financial commitments) but my passion in life is classical guitar. I have an hour for lunch which I would like to put to good use by using this thing.

I try to maximize my practise time as much as possible, but it pains me that the best hours of the day (9 to 5) are spent sitting in front of this damn computer screen when I could be playing my beloved guitar 8 hours a day instead!

How does one actually use this contraption?:D

[Great Googly Moogly]

How does one actually use this contraption?:DWell, it does have a short fretboard which could be used for left hand exercises of some sort but it's primarily used for right-hand training. So whatever right-hand finger patterns you're working on in any current pieces you're practicing (picado, arpeggios, tremolo, rasqueados or golpes) can be practiced repetitively using your finger-trainer. You can also cut the noise down almost completely by placing your left hand over the strings (over the area of the frets) in order to "muffle" them. I tune the six strings to an open chord, myself, in case I want to hear something while practicing. This way, it is a coherent chord I'm hearing.

Is that the sort of answer you were looking for?

[waynekerr]

Well, it does have a short fretboard which could be used for left hand exercises of some sort but it's primarily used for right-hand training. So whatever right-hand finger patterns you're working on in any current pieces you're practicing (picado, arpeggios, tremolo, rasqueados or golpes) can be practiced repetitively using your finger-trainer. You can also cut the noise down almost completely by placing your left hand over the strings (over the area of the frets) in order to "muffle" them. I tune the six strings to an open chord, myself, in case I want to hear something while practicing. This way, it is a coherent chord I'm hearing.

Is that the sort of answer you were looking for?

That's great, thanks. How closely does it actually replicate playing a real guitar? Have you noticed considerable benefits to your right hand strength, technique, stamina etc. by using it?

[Jubilee Valence]

...sigh...

if you want to play like Jubi...

you got to train like Jubi....

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/Main/captainsofcrush.html

...25 notes per second...

"grip"?--better than average.... :mrgreen: