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knucklebrain1970

01-12-2005, 12:59 PM

Put on ya thinking caps folks. I heard it a couple weeks ago on the net. It has a lot of tremelo in it and the site that it was on said "this could be considered the classical guitar anthem"
I have no idea where I saw it, who played it, or the title of it.
I'm assuming it's popular, it's not Canarios (sp?) either.

Any help is appreciated.

Kevin

Pepe Vergara

01-12-2005, 01:03 PM

daniel711

01-12-2005, 01:05 PM

Classical guitar anthem, with tremelo?? It's got to be Tarrega's 'Recuerdos de Alhambra'. I can't imagine anything else being described this way...

knucklebrain1970

01-12-2005, 01:05 PM

Yeah I know, I have virtually nothing to go on. It's like when you see an actor on tv and don't know who the hell it is, or hear a song on the radio and they don't tell you who it is. It's driving me mad :evil: mad I say :evil:

knucklebrain1970

01-12-2005, 01:06 PM

Classical guitar anthem, with tremelo?? It's got to be Tarrega's 'Recuerdos de Alhambra'. I can't imagine anything else being described this way...

HOLY SH*T DING DING DING DING DING DING

WINNA.. Hey, do you know who wrote it?

Thanks, man. Don't know if I'll be playing that soon :evil: but I at least want to take a look at it. Is it a hard piece?

Pepe Vergara

01-12-2005, 01:07 PM

Classical guitar anthem, with tremelo?? It's got to be Tarrega's 'Recuerdos de Alhambra'. I can't imagine anything else being described this way...
Bingo!

Pepe Vergara

01-12-2005, 01:09 PM

keith

01-12-2005, 01:46 PM

well it all depends on who thinks it is an anthem. go north of spain and hang with the dudes wearing berats, eating bread and drinking wine and camille saint-saen's "the swan" could be said anthem. outside of france though, i would vote for alhambra.

knuckles: go listen to alhambra--just about everyone has done it and once you hear it you will know if the piece on the radio was alhambra. you can get john william's the spanish album cheap at borders book (in shrewsbury). listen to the first piece, asturias (leyenda). once you hear this piece, you will be hooked.

knucklebrain1970

01-12-2005, 01:52 PM

Yeah, doesn't look too difficult. Gotta polish up the ole tremelo to play it though

cdikland

01-13-2005, 02:46 AM

It is a piece of cake. You should be playing that in not time. :wink:
knucklebrain,

I totally disagree with Pepe. The tremolo is one of the hardest CG technique to master. It takes most folks at least one whole weekend of practice to master it. The good news is though that once mastered you can probably master Alhambra in one afternoon however......

There is a common courtesy among classical guitarist not to play the piece in front of anyone until he/she has mastered Leyenda as well. Unfortunately, this piece is much harder and may take several years to master. :P :P :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

keith

01-13-2005, 04:46 AM

one whole weekend to master a tremelo?? one afternoon to master alhambra--gee, i thought canada was famous for skating, ice fishing, and polar bear wrestling, i did not know that have such an advanced classical guitar teaching system. :wink:

i would guess that many, if not most, folks would say it takes weeks, if not months, to MASTER a tremelo--and to be able to apply it to a variety of pieces. i have heard recordings of folks who have not mastered it but who otherwise play quite well. of course i am using sabicas and john williams as my standards.

as to leyenda being more difficult? i guess the truth is in the eye of the beholder but i find leyenda to be a lot easier--it is basically an exercise in E minor whereas alhambra has some significant fingering and of course the tremelo part.

as to not playing alhambra in front of others until one has mastered leyenda????? i take with all of the emoticons placed that this may be a joke. if so, well, i suspect all of us need to master our pieces before subjecting the public to listen to them.

Jubilee Valence

01-13-2005, 05:11 AM

Pepe Vergara

01-13-2005, 05:32 AM

cdikland

01-13-2005, 07:09 AM

There is a common courtesy among classical guitarist not to play the piece in front of anyone until he/she has mastered Leyenda as well. Unfortunately, this piece is much harder and may take several years to master. :P :P :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Way to go, destroying hope in people! :D
It's a dirty job but somebody gotta do it :D

Keith,
Sarcasm was intentional :twisted:
I have been going at the dang technique for about 3 months now and on good days I may be able to play it at 96 bpm. I havent even tried to incorporate it within Alhambra. Of course it's winter here in canada and my hands never get warm enough to really practice it for long. Ah, but 6 more months and it will be summer. Hope I dont sleep in on that glorious day.. :lol:

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 08:06 AM

Hey, who wrote/played Leyenda ?
I wana take a listen to that

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 08:17 AM

I'm not going off on myself here. I have no ego and believe ego is the root of all evil and societal problems. However I have mastered tremelo. I'm the type of person that when I can't do something, I'll sit there till I can. I mastered it in
not that long of a time, so now I'm searching for pieces that utilize it, although it can become boring real quick. This is the problem with me. Last time I was into classical, I sort of ran out of music that interested me. Why? Because I was listening to mostly players from the Bach era and I don't really like that music too well, say maybee 10% of it I like. It's tough to tell who is at what level and I make no comparisons and like I said, I'm egoless. I do love however when I think I'm good, to go see real people play and realize how much I suck. Someone told me that el negrito is a difficult piece and I'm about a week off from playing that start to finish flawlessly, so when 1 person says something is difficult, it may not apply to everyone. Let us not forget we are all players, all in the same boat, but at differing levels or prowess (if I worded that right )
However it's also inspiring when someone says something is difficult and it is not or a technique like tremelo is hard to master and I have mastered it already. Kinda makes me think "hey, maybee I'm better than I give myself credit for"
Then I go watch a segovia video :twisted: and realize how much I suck.

However it is not good to tell yourself you suck either, as your subconscious is listening. Tell yourself your better than Segovia himself and your subconscious will like that better. Remember, you are your thoughts, and you become and perceive what you think. That's no BS.

Kevin

cdikland

01-13-2005, 08:18 AM

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 08:23 AM

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 08:24 AM

Hey, who wrote/played Leyenda ?
I wana take a listen to that
composer=Albeniz.
Played by J Williams and every recording artist since Segovia. On the JW recording I have it is labled Asturias (Leyenda is part of Asturias)

Sheet music here:
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_inside.html?cart=33146039798270384&sku=HL.50022920&page=cover

Is there anywhere I can hear this? I don't want to order the music if I don't really like the piece. Any mp3's out there you know of?

Thanks, Kevin

MegaBrawn

01-13-2005, 08:27 AM

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 08:36 AM

Weeks or a weekend to master the tremelo?Well, I don't know about that. I guess it's how you define the term 'master'.

I've seen some guitarist take years to master it. When I mean 'master', I mean have a consistent tremelo that is very controlled in terms of speed and dynamic ability.

I see advanced players in masterclasses who often ask for advice on perfercting their tremelo.

I'm quite interested to learn the 'weekend technique' and hear someone's 'perfect' tremelo after only having practised it for a weekend.

BTW, I find your philosophy quite interesting Kevin. But personally, mine is complete the opposite!

When I sound bad, I honestly tell myself I suck so I should practise more. I don't find it demoralising because no matter how bad I think I sound, I know that with practise I can only get better.

So with every note, and every second I practise I know I'm moving away from that 'sucky-iness'

But that's just my 2 cents. :D

I hear you man. What I'm saying is this. If you tell yourself your sick all the time, what do you think happens. If you tell yourself your ugly all the time, you have no self esteem. Perhaps this mindset doesn't apply to playing an instrument :lol:
I do agree with you sort of, I'm just trying to be more (+) in life. I'm sure I'm not as good as I think I am, but I can play what I described consistently with accuracy. Wheter that's any accomplishment, well I have no benchmark other than the music on cd and on the pc to judge myself against. I'm sure however if I saw some of the local guys that play classical at the Worcester Music School, I'd be walking home with my head hung low and my tail between my legs :lol:

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 08:38 AM

Alright, before Keith blows a gasket (BAG) :lol: :evil: :lol:

Who can tell me where I might listen to this Leyenda online? Anybody?

Knuckle

cdikland

01-13-2005, 08:58 AM

Is there anywhere I can hear this? I don't want to order the music if I don't really like the piece. Any mp3's out there you know of?

Thanks, Kevin
Check this out
http://www.ckdsolutions.com/guitar/Leyenda.mp3

I have no idea who the artist is but I know it is not JW.

Leyenda, played by JW, may well be the 1st CG piece I ever heard some 30+ years ago.

cdikland

01-13-2005, 09:09 AM

Hey how do you guys use a metronome with tremelo? I usually do this.

I use say an Am chord or an E chord and I usually
tremolo the top E string while alternating bass with teh thumb
but playing the base and the first tremelo note together so it's basically triplets.
Is this correct? Caus I can play at 110-115 like that for at least 10 min, however I'm thinking I might be thinking I'm not doing it right and getting excited about being able to do it that fast when I'm not even doing it properly
:lol:
Yes I use a metronome... Playing the treble and bass together is incorrect. Alhambra tremolo is played using p a m i (thumb, ring, middle, index,etc...) I will guess that to make it sound continues you will need to achieve a minimum speed of 138 bpm. Even that might be low...

Check out Scott Tenant here:
http://www.ckdsolutions.com/guitar/alhambra.WMV

After seeing this video :shock: you will realize why you will likely need a weekend to master it :D :D :D :D :D

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 09:19 AM

Um............Yeah..............Um................ :shock:

That one's gonna take a while :lol:

Thanks, Kevin

JerryO

01-13-2005, 10:13 AM

Knucklebrain,

Go to this website: http://dirk.meineke.free.fr/. You can get the music for Leyenda and here it -- as well as many other peices.

dap22

01-13-2005, 01:15 PM

Hey guys,
I am a bit flabberghasted after reading some of the replies to Kevins question. One week to 'master' tremolo? On afternoon to 'master' Recuerdos de la Alhambra? Recuerdos can't be played until Asturias-Leyenda has been 'mastered'? Recuerdos is extremely easy and simple?
Whoa now...it seems as though some people here have been spending too much time in the practice room and not enough time in the real world...or vice versa...or just hyped up ego's.
For those who have mastered the tremolo, maybe Barrueco and Russell might want some tips on how to master it...these guys have been doing tremolo their whole lives and do it better than most people...of course if they have mastered it, there would be no need to practice it of course, since mastering something is doing it at the highest level possible. I think Barrueco and Russel might disagree. These guys practice this a bunch, and therefore are experts in performing, practicing, and teaching it. I really doubt that they 'mastered' their tremolo in on weekend, and mastered Recuerdos in one afternoon.
It is one thing to be able to sightread a piece, but a whole other thing to play it well.
All of you who claim to have mastered the tremolo and Recuerdos...where is your recording of it? I would love to hear it...I am sure Scott Tennant, Russel, Barrueco, Golosus, Verdery, Aron, and all the rest of the gang would love to have some lessons on it.

Kevin-Watch the Pumping Nylon companion DVD. Scott Tennant discuses the tremolo technique, gives excellent practice techniques and methods, discusses how to practice it with a metronome, and then shows it all up to speed. He the tells a little story (of which I will comment in a minute) and then tops it off with an exceptional performance of Recuerdos de la Alhambra. All of his practice techniques and methods can be found in the Pumping Nylon book, but when you see someone execute it so accurately, it makes you understand better just what he means when he says 'practice and perform.'
The story Scott Tennant tells is one of a past student of his who gave up guitar completely. He mentions his student being an excellent player, and dove right into tremolo and Recuerdos without the proper preparation, patience, and time. What was the end result? The student completely gave up guitar due to frustration from this piece.
Being Scott Tennants student, a few things can be assumed of this player, the student obviously was good enough to be a student of Scott Tennant's, the student probably had chops, but lacked patience and understanding as to what all is required in playing this piece. Unfortunate that this happened, but it does put things in to perspective.

A problem with Recuerdos de la Alhambra (I don't yet play it, but have looked through it and compared it with other tremolo pieces) is that most of Recurdos' tremolo takes place on the second string (the B string.) This complicates the technique. Also, Tarrega added in an element of beauty with the ornaments (sound like slurs) in the tremolo. I haven't heard anyone play these ornaments better than Scott Tennant! Simply beautiful, amazing, and yes, complicated.
Many say Recuerdos is a great tremolo piece to begin with, but I would also suggest looking at Una Limosna por el Amor de Dios (An Alm for the Love of God) by Agustin Barrios. Much of the tremolo here takes place on the first string (the E string). Barrueco has an excellent recording of this on his 'Cantos y Danzas' album

Now lets continue...
It was said that Recuerdos can't be played without having 'mastered' Asturias-Leyenda.
I have a few questions...why only Leyenda? Why not the whole suite by Albeniz? Also, saying 'mastered' again is something very bold.
It is one thing to say you have mastered a piece, but remember, others will be judges of how well you actually play that.
I don't understand why Recuerdos and Asturias-Leyenda need to be played or even learned together. They do not use the same techniques, they are two very different composers (Tarrega, a guitarist, composed Recuerdos; Isaac Albeniz, a pianist, composed Asturias-Leyenda), they both sound extremely different (I can't think of one similarity...)
So why must they be played together or learned at the same time?
If you want to hear a great recording of Asturias-Leyenda, check out Stephen Robinson or try to listen to Randy Avers (he plays it better than anyone I have heard yet, but it is not on any of his albums yet, but if you see him live he might play it in concert.)
Also, Asturias-Leyenda is not one of the easier pieces in guitar repertoire...so be careful with what you are saying and suggesting.

I don't mean to sound mean, I do not play either of these pieces, however, I have looked at the scores and sightread through parts of them, and am familiar with them to a certain degree (not nearly on the level of anyone who has played them though.) It just startles me to hear a couple people say comments such as 'Recuerdos is extremely easy'. I have heard Scott Tennant play, yet I haven't heard anyone who made those comments play. Scott Tennant doesn't say Recuerdos is an easy piece...in the story he tells on the Pumping Nylon DVD he talks about one of his students who quit the guitar because they were unable to play this.
At the same time, Recuerdos is also no the hardest piece in guitar repertoire and isn't among the hardest, but it is not to be confused with beign extremely easy...it does require very sophisticated technique.
Why can't you play Recuerdos until you have played Asturias-Leyenda?

I am still confused and would like some clarification on this...

Kevin-Good luck with your tremolo, Recuerdos, and El Negrito by Lauro. Hopefully you or working ahrd (and smartly) on these!
I am a bit startled to hear that you are working on these pieces when you make comments along the lines of 'I am not very familiar with classical guitar repertoire, but will pretty much play whatever I like.' To each his own, but there is more to classical guitar than only playing the pieces you like. I suggest you work on some of the Sor, Aguado, Giuliani, and Carcassi Studies. Look at some of the Villa-Lobos preludes and etudes. Look at some of Tarregas preludes. Expand your classical music library, I am sure you will realize that there is tons of music out there that you would love if only you heard it. To say you don't like most classical guitar repertoire (as I have heard you say in past posts) yet not be familiar with composers like Villa-Lobos, Barrios, and Tarrega, and not have heard pieces as famous as Recuerdos and Asturias-Leyenda only makes me wonder just how much classical guitar repertoire you have listened to.
Also, maybe its time for some Bach? It isn't easy, but will teach you much about your technique, and especially, musical interpretation and expand on your learning process. To play a piece by Bach is to understand the proper fingering of every note and other things you will catch along the learning process. Check out Cello Suite #1, I am sure you will like it!

Sorry for blabbering on for so long, those questions I have asked in the post it would be nice hearing some answers.
Those who say they have mastered the tremolo, please do send us some recordings!

Thanks,
Doug.

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 01:25 PM

Yeah Doug, not to bash anyones insight, but I watched this

http://www.ckdsolutions.com/guitar/alhambra.WMV

Take a wee bit more than an afternoon or weekend to master thisaone.

Now tremelo technique can be mastered rather quickly I think, but incoorperating it into something that's pleasent to listen to such as alhambra is another story.

I think most were referring to the actual technique.

Rage on peeps, I love a good internet war :evil: :lol:

Kevin

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 01:35 PM

Well thanks Doug, as for the comment about not listening to much classical guitar your right. When I use to play 10 years ago or so, the internet wasn't what it is now. There was virtually nothing on here for classical guitar. I would buy tape after tape of classical guitar and be disgusted as the music did not interest me. I have to hear something I like in order to play it. I have not heard alhambra nor recuerdos since yesterday. I do recognize them, but I have not heard them in eons. I love that music and it motivates me. I will post my rendition of El Negrito in a week or so on my site to get some opinions on it. Not to feed my ego, Alhambra and Recuerdos will take probably months and months to memorize and play properly. Crap, 2 weeks ago I never thought I'd be able to play El Negrito, now I can play it start to finish and the only problem spot for me is the bar chord towards the end of the song. I'll have it down in a week, then I'll record it, listen to it, tweak it, post it and you guys can tell me how much it sucks, ok? :lol:

Kevin

dap22

01-13-2005, 01:54 PM

Hey,
I just thought for those who didn't read my whole long boring post I was just saying that I do NOT think tremolo can be 'mastered' in one weekend, I do not see why Recuerdos and Asturias-Leyenda should be played together or how they are even similar, aside from both being difficult. I also said that recuerdos can NOT (and should not) be 'mastered' in one afternoon.
Clear? Good.
That way, whoever skims through it will not miss what I am trying to say.
Kevin-That video clip you posted is the actual clip from the Scott Tennant pumping nylon companion DVD which I was recommending for you to buy. Scott plays the piece incredibly! (as everything else he plays is excellent. He is an amazing and top notch teacher.)
Before he plays that on the Pumping Nylon DVD he discusses great tremolo technique, practice methods, and tells the story of which I told in my previos post. You should definitely watch the Pumping Nylon DVD. It's GREAT. Of course, also get the book (they can both be purchased as a package for a reduced price.)
I am looking forward to hearing you play El Negrito. Good luck with nailing the bar chord at the end of the song. You will get it!
Why would we tell you it sucks though? If it is played well it obviously doesn't suck...if it is played perfectly...well that is self explanatory.

Also, in your last post Keving, you said you have not heard Alhambra nor Recuerdos since yesterday...they are the same piece man. What do you mean by saying this? I am missing the pun or joke or whatever it is...could you please clarify? Thanks.

Doug.

cdikland

01-13-2005, 02:40 PM

Hey,
I was just saying that I do NOT think tremolo can be 'mastered' in one weekend, I do not see why Recuerdos and Asturias-Leyenda should be played together or how they are even similar, aside from both being difficult. I also said that recuerdos can NOT (and should not) be 'mastered' in one afternoon..

hey dap22, Do you really believe I was serious??? Dont you know sarcasm when you hear/read it.

Kevin-That video clip you posted
Doug.

He didn't post a video...

You know with so many of you actually taking me serious maybe I should become a politician.... :twisted: I didnt realize I was so convincing

dap22

01-13-2005, 02:48 PM

Hey Cdikland,
Now that you said it I just realized you were being sarcastic! If you had said it I am sure none of this confusion would have occured, however, do remember that when typing, there is really no way of giving off an expression...even those little faces that people post up to show 'emotion' can sometime be confusing!
It is a shame though that you claimed that Kevin didn't post up a clip, and you even copied and pasted what I wrote in some effort to prove me wrong...??? It would have been nice had you read the post that kevin put up where he said:
"Yeah Doug, not to bash anyones insight, but I watched this

http://www.ckdsolutions.com/guitar/alhambra.WMV

Take a wee bit more than an afternoon or weekend to master thisaone."

Go back and read the two previous posts before my most recent that Kevin posted up. Now do you see which clip I am refering to? It is a clip taken directly from the Pumpin Nylon companion book DVD of Scott Tennant playing. Also once again, re-read my post, my exact words to my comment you copied and pasted were:
"Kevin-That video clip you posted is the actual clip from the Scott Tennant pumping nylon companion DVD which I was recommending for you to buy."

Yes...now the message is clear. You need to read the entire sentence in order to understand what is trying to be said. Please read the past few posts before posting in a message...that way you won't miss obvious points and make such foolish claims as "He didn't post a video..."

It would be almost l ike playing something by Bach and leaving out an entire phrase...the whole meaning and purpose is lost.
Read the whole sentence, read all the posts, then form an opinion, then post. Don't cheat yourself or others by skipping through things, and in the future, when you copy and paste quotes of others, please copy and paste the entire sentence...that way none of the important meaning is lost.

Cheers,
Doug.

cdikland

01-13-2005, 04:10 PM

It is a shame though that you claimed that Kevin didn't post up a clip, and you even copied and pasted what I wrote in some effort Cheers,
Doug.

:D :D :D
Speaking of reading.... Have you read this post????
http://forum.guitarsalon.com/viewtopic.php?p=13564#13564

BTW: did you notice the domain name in the clips URL?

http://www.ckdsolutions.com/guitar/alhambra.WMV
The 3 letters (ckd) after www. and before solutions almost appear to be initials :shock:

yours truly C.K Dikland

cdikland

01-13-2005, 04:14 PM

Hey guys,
I am a bit flabberghasted after reading some of the replies to Kevins question. One week to 'master' tremolo? Thanks,
Doug.
Oh wow... Not a whole week I hope...
I said ONE WEEKEND.....

dap22

01-13-2005, 05:03 PM

Hello Cdikland,
You definitely sound quite angry. There you go once again cutting up my messages and scrambling the meaning. If you are going to post something I say, post the entire sentence...don't just chop stuff around...thats how stuff is misinterpreted.
I really don't know where you are going with this. I can't understand if you are tryign to be sarcastic or serious anymore. You say one thing one minute, the next you claim it is sarcastic, and then after me siding with you and agreeing with you and apologizing that i didn't realize (and apparently not many other people did) that you were being sarcastic, and your reply is that of fury? Yikes...
Chill out man. This is a forum on which people discuss things and help eachother. No need for your dark sarcasm or fury.

So now you are trying to point out that you were the one that put up the clip of Scott Tennant from Pumping Nylon? You could just say so. No need to be so angry about this. Thanks for posting that clip up I guess..however, Pumping Nylon does have a copyright...did you have Scott's permission on posting that up? Well, that is none of my business, but some of us had to pay to see that (me being one.)
And yes, Kevin did post that clip up, although he posted it up after you...he still did post it, and yes, I had read your previous comment. What's your point? You forgot to read the posts and just jumped in and are now trying to cover up your own original ignorance by making ridiculous posts.

Cdikland, chill out a bit, don't take things so personally, maybe spend some time practicing. Remember what Jose Marti said, "doing is the best way of saying."

Doug.

Once again, if you are going to quote me, quote my entire sentence or paragraph, just don't chop stuff around to change the meaning.

Pepe Vergara

01-13-2005, 05:14 PM

What about a break to play some guitar?

knucklebrain1970

01-13-2005, 05:58 PM

Thanks Doug, I was kidding when I say it would suck. I don't just play a song and think it's perfect, because if you play something and then record it and listen to it, it can and might just be 2 different things. Sometimes hearing yourself play on recording, you can pick out small nuances or mistakes that might have otherwise been missed. I wouldn't post anything that is not close to 100% anyhow.

As for the comment about the songs, my bad, I realize that's just one song, I meant to say I haven't heard Recuerdos de la Alhambra or Asturias-Leyenda, that's what I meant. I have heard them before, who knows where, but have heard lots of things and forgotton lots of songs. I've heard more material in the past 2 days, so I have enough to keep me busy for 2 solid years. My goal is to build up my repertoire of songs to entertain. That's my purpose of learning the guitar. There are select Bach pieces I like, but most of the scale driven stuff just bores me. I like music that makes your hair stand on end, like the above two mentioned pieces. Bouree, yet simple, is another song that does that for me. I simply can not play something that is not musically interesting to me. I haven't even listened to Segovia. I have no idea what he plays or any of his music, so that's another avenue. I prefer to listen to songs then play them, and or pick out the particular techniques in a piece and then practice them seperate from the piece and apply them to the learning of the piece. I realize that is ass backwards, but I don't have the time to learn all the techniques there are. My main problem is that I have so many books I don't know really what to concentrate on. So I use the song approach described above. I do have The pumping nylon book, but some of the stuff is confusing like the "Fix On" exercizes I don't get what fix means. I'm guessing it means hold or keep a finger in a position? However I am going to get the DVD and it was sheer stupidity to get the book without the DVD. So I will get the DVD and consider that book my CG bible. Another area I am severly lacking is scales and rest stroke scale playing. Perhapse Scotts book describes that as well. I haven't even looked at it really yet. I spend the majority of my time on tremelo, finger walking and strengthening my left hand for bar chords and I was doing a 1 - 5th fret walking exercize where I walk up from the 6th string to the 1st string with the 1st and 4th (pinky) finger and back down. Well I tweaked my hand and my wrist clicks now :lol: when playing the F chords in El Negrito so I have bought another dynaflex ball to strenghthen my wrist again (screwed it up downhill mountain bike racing a while back) so I'm assuming that has something to do with the wrist pain. However I'm laying off that 1-5 exercize for a while. Anyhow, I appreciate all the inspiring insight you all provide. Here's my list of songs to learn :evil:

Bouree (done)
STUDY No 7 in Am Carcassi (done)
El Negrito (WIP)
Virgilio (Lauro)
Asturias-Leyenda
Recuerdos de la Alhambra
(I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ORDER OF THE ABOVE TWO :lol:)

Now it's time to post about fingernails, then practice before bed. I like this place anyhow.

dap22

01-13-2005, 06:27 PM

Hey Kevin,
Nice post. The repertoire you are building up is a very nice selection of very good pieces! While I don't take this approach in guitar, to each his own.
Since you will be working on Asturias-Leyenda, listen to the whole suite, it is extremely beautiful, and I am going to assume you will absolutely love it. Its amazing that Albeniz was a pianist, yet his pieces soudn like they were written by a guitarist! Who would ever have imagined piecs like Mallorca and Asturias-Leyeda were written for piano?!?!
From the list of songs you put, some other pieces you might enjoy and think about playing would be Caprichio Arabe by F. Tarrega, the Villa-Lobos Preludes (you should have a look at the 12 Etudes by Villa-Lobos too, while they don't sound as 'beautiful' as some of the other pieces, they will definitely make you sweat and build up your technique!)
You might also find most work by Barrios absolutely beautiful...Las Abejas, La Catedral, Julia Florida, the Vals.'s, Madrigal Gavotte, etc.
You will also probably like 'Un Dia de Noviembre' and 'Berceuse' by Leo Brouwer.
Also, check out Sonatina by Jorge Morel (Randall Avers has, in my opinion, the absolute best recording of this on his CD Vistas...along with the best recording of El Decameron Negro, Muerte De Angel, Aquarelle...actually, everything on that CD is amazing! Check it out at www.randallavers.com
He won second place in GFA when he was 17...he is amazing!)
Well, as you keep listening and expanding your repertoire, you will discover tons of absolutely beautiful music..there is so much out there just waiting to be listened to!

Which bourree by Bach are you talking about? A bourree is just a fast, joyful dance with pleasant and relaxed characteristics. Bach had tons of these. For example, there are two Bourree's in Bach's cello suite #3 (BWV 1009.) Well, regardless, just about anything by Bach is absolutely beautiful! He never had a bad day composing (that I know of!)

The Scott Tennant fix on excercises are just exactly that...fixating certain fingers in certain places with almost no pressure while moving other fingers. This is great, it strengthens fingers and finger independence. These can be rather tricky at times, and after doing them repetedly for a while...they sure will make you sweat! (and also a better player!)
Scott Tennant discusses scales and rest strokes in Pumping Nylon as well. Some great stuff! There are tons of excercises for scales and rest strokes, it just takes time and practice!
Talking about scales...listen to the scales that Jeremy Jouve plays in Fantasy on Themes from La Traviatta (Verdi) by Julian Arcas...WOW!
Also, listen to Manuel Barreuco play Etude 7 by Villa-Lobos....WOW! The scale is all rest strokes...so fast, so loud, so controlled, so clean, and excellent!

Good luck with your practice. I agree with you, this forum is an awesome place, and its gerat that we are all able to help and be helped here!

Doug.

Jubilee Valence

01-13-2005, 07:23 PM

:arrow: :shock: Hey guys,
I am a bit flabberghasted

,

I am still confused

Sorry for blabbering .

Thanks,
Doug. :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: ...couldn't 've said it better myself... :roll: :twisted:

dap22

01-13-2005, 07:36 PM

Jubilee Valence,
thanks for your contribution to this topic....I notice we have a comedian here. Since you're so funny...why do you even bother play guitar or be part of this forum?
Here I am, being nice to Kevin, helping him, he has asked some great question, and all you do in return is in an attempt to make a mockery of me, you end up making a fool of yourself.
What ever have I done to you?
What ever have I done on this board aside from add my opinions, thoughts, help, and questions?
I really don't know who you think you are, but you are not beign very cool at all. Why don't you try and contribute in a positive manner?

Doug.

cdikland

01-13-2005, 07:39 PM

Once again, if you are going to quote me, don't quote my entire sentence or paragraph, just chop the meaning to change stuff around .
Moi??? Never!!!!! :wink:

Well this is waaaaay to easy... :roll: I'm getting bored....

dap22

01-13-2005, 07:46 PM

Hello again...
I thought somewhere here this was a guitar forum. I love how there is no comment regarding the illegal clip of Scott Tennant stolen from his pumping nylon dvd. I also love how in this topic there is no longer much talk about 'GUITAR' in this 'guitar forum.' Only old men with rusty fingers lacking an ability to play well or make a name for themselves, therefore their responses are just bashing me and trying to be funny.
Cdikland...your profile says you are retired. I would only hope that you could be acting your age aside from that of an old fart. Being ignorant, and a lame attempt at being funny is no way to act on this guitar forum.
You seem to have forgotten about the 'learning and helping' part of this forum.

Cheers,
Doug.

larilian

01-13-2005, 08:11 PM

Wow! Can't we all just get along. Dap22, I have just read every post in this thread from beginning to end, and I have to comment, calm down. You are right in thinking that some posts have been in jest and infused with sarcasm (which is difficult to detect in a short-verse written forum i.e internet post boards), and your responses to knuckle-brains questions have been informative. However, you must be able to admit that you have begun to take some of the responses way too personally. I only speak from experience. I have made the same mistake in this, and other, internet forums. Perhaps my comments will only fan the flames of your anger, but I couldn't help myself.

cdikland

01-13-2005, 08:13 PM

knucklebrain1970,

Check out this web site http://guitar.ah.to/
The navigation buttons are in Korean (I think) but if you hold your mouse over the buttons the tooltip will be in english. For videos of JW (playing Leyenda), Bream, Tenant, etc click the button "Guitar VOD".. Even if you only like 10% of what is offered here you would have enough material to last ya a life time.

happy hunting

dap22

01-13-2005, 08:21 PM

Larilian-You are right. I did take thigns personally, I should not have. I apologize to the entire forum for being foolish as so. I can only hope you understand the reason as to why I became so upset. When people start changing around exact words you said to alter the meaning is stooping about as low as it gets and is uncalled for in this forum.
It is not my anger, I am jsut trying to clarify what it is I have said for those who failed to read my entire post and made foolish responses in return. I do believe it all started when someone claimed that a link I was referring to was not posted, and then they went back and eralized that someone had actually posted a clip which they claimed wasn't there, and since then its just been somewhat of a catfight.
This is a guitar forum, a place to learn, help, and be helped. Not a place for fighting. I apologize for continuing it, but at the same time, such posts as the previous few which were direct insults were uncalled for and un-necessary. The sad part is the people who posted those are much older than me. Only goes to show how mature and self composed some people are.

anyway, in this forum it is more important how one plays than how one speaks. I go back to the old quote of Jose Marti, "doing is the best way of saying."

Cdikland-In midst of your insults toward me, and my lousy replies, on a different subject, thanks for posting up the link. There are some great clips! Very much appreciated...
well, time to get back to practicing!

Doug.

Pepe Vergara

01-13-2005, 09:15 PM

Another break? I remember Dr. Martin Luther King words: "......My mother used to say that Good Friday is always before Easter Sunday."

knucklebrain1970

01-14-2005, 06:14 AM

Damn :shock: I can't believe this lasted 5 pages. See what I've done to this place? Fighting, yelling, sarcasm :lol:

Just kidding, thanks for the help everyone.

CYBERFIGHT RESUME :twisted: