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Pepe Vergara
01-18-2005, 01:49 PM
I found this information on Mexican luthiers and I thought you may want to read it:

posted 08-16-2003 08:38 AM
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I've just returned from a trip to Paracho, and would like to share my impressions and observations with the group. As everyone I suspect knows, Paracho, Michuacan is a Tarascan village of guitar makers in Mexico with a population of around 15,000 and by local estimates with somewhere between 1000 and 1200 guitar makers. The village itself sits in a high valley at 7,300 feet. Although in this part of Mexico, the rainy season lasts from May to Oct., at this altitude Paracho is humid year around-- a problem that only a few makers have dealt with.
Driving into town one, the main drag is lined with stores and workshops selling guitars. Most of the shops, however, buy from local makers, and only a couple of the workshops on the main street belong to the better makers. Most of the better makers work out of their homes, so they can be difficult to find.

Locally, makers divide their production into three general classes-- popular, estudio, and concert instruments. The great bulk of makers in Paracho produce popular guitars, very cheap instruments, (which may sell for as little as 20 dollars), directed at the national market. Some guitar makers can produce three of these a day!

Estudio guitars are better built instruments-- usually with local woods, such as palo escrito. Palo escrito can be an attractive wood, but is less dense and softer than rosewood, as so does not reflect sound as well. The better makers, nonetheless, achieve fairly good results with such woods. Typically, these guitars have rosewood fingerboards, cheap gears.

While many makers may claim to build concert guitars, I would estimate that only a dozen or so really are building true concert guitars, have access to fine woods, and take the precautions necessary to build instruments in the humid conditions of Paracho. Most of these makers, also have benefited from classes given in Paracho by world class luthiers from Spain, Germany, and the USA such as Felix Manzanero, Manuel Caceras, Antonio Raya Pardo, Jose Romanillos, Thomas Humphery, and Herman Hauser III.

While some of these makers, such as Abel Garcia and German Rubio Vasquez, have acheived world class reputations, most of them have little or no experience with exporting. Some were even unfamiliar with travelers checks. I found only three or four makers in this regard in which I had any real confidence.

I bought guitars from the Hermanos Escobedo, Jose Navarro, and Arturo Huipe. They all produce quality instruments and are set up to deal with humidity problems in Paracho. I also liked the work of Edgar Pina, Abel Garcia, and German Vasquez Rubio, but they have long waiting lists and have prices that match those of Spanish builders.

Bottom line, there are a few makers in Paracho who make going there worth it, but be prepared to spend a lot of time looking at junk. As well, most of the demand in Mexico is for popular and estudio guitars, even the better makers only produce a few concert guitars a year, and may not have one available to sell or even show you.

James B. Greenberg
Zavaleta's La Casa de Guitarras http://www.zavaletas-guitarras.com

M. Stephenson
01-19-2005, 09:16 AM
Interesting article.

I really like my Tijuana, Mexico made Sevillano guitars. Beautiful woods and excellent craftsmanship (my forum image is of a birdseye-maple Sevillano). It will be interesting to see how they age...

Pepe Vergara
01-19-2005, 09:48 AM
I know Sevillano well. He is a good worker and an expert in copying any model. He makes lots of steel string guitars for dealers in Southern California, from Elvis's models to classical. He has two or three nephews that work with him. They treat everyone well when you go and visit them. From soda to taquitos! Uhmmmm..

Jubilee Valence
01-19-2005, 07:25 PM
Back in about '91-2, was my last run through T.J. due to Ariz move.I would of course check out all the musical instruments each trip, but that last run I found an exceptional line---way above the rest---in that "up scale" cigar shop w/ the HUGE humidor & seating located on Revolucion about halfway up to the bullring.These guitars,every one w/ that label, were excellant but way beyond my budget at the time--towards a grand maybe, & thats a while back.The sales people referred me to a gentleman there, in store, who welcomed my interests and we chatted guitars etc. I'm sorry that I've forgotten the label/maker but the Paracho info has always--"rung the bell"--definitely a remote location & local/native materials and old traditional methods

Guillermo Rosado
01-20-2005, 11:25 AM
Hola Pepe:
Gracias por la información. Es muy exacta.
The additional names that I would add to the list of very talented luthiers are:
Fructuoso Zalapa, David Caro Leonardo, Jesus Zalapa, and Guillermo Rubio.
There are many more well known luthiers, but I don´t know their guitars yet.

Saludos desde México
Guillermo

jmp
01-20-2005, 11:50 AM
Hi Pepe,
Thanks for posting a valuable and interesting article.
It would seem that the purchase of a guitar made in an uncontrolled humidity environment, such as those mentioned, would almost guarantee cracks in a normal heated winter season even if a humidifier in a guitar case was used.

a333a
01-25-2005, 12:18 AM
Fructuoso Zalapa, David Caro Leonardo, Jesus Zalapa, and Guillermo Rubio.
There are many more well known luthiers, but I don´t know their guitars yet.


I have a Fructuoso Zalapa and I like it a lot!!!

a333a
01-25-2005, 12:20 AM
definitely a remote location & local/native materials and old traditional methods

I think you didn't see the: Most of these makers, also have benefited from classes given in Paracho by world class luthiers from Spain, Germany, and the USA such as Felix Manzanero, Manuel Caceras, Antonio Raya Pardo, Jose Romanillos, Thomas Humphery, and Herman Hauser III. part

Guillermo Rosado
01-25-2005, 08:01 AM
Hola a333a:
Where in Nuevo León are You ??
I am in Tepic Nayarit.
Yes, the Zalapa is a great instrument, and I like it very much.
If You noticed my "avatar" is a picture of my Zalapa Rosette.
Saludos

Guillermo

Pepe Vergara
01-25-2005, 08:26 AM
.......a guitar made in an uncontrolled humidity environment..

That is true of any place or location, not only Paracho. However, they know that and many of the luthiers know how to deal with the humidity to make it "controlled". I did learn techniques on how to lower humidity in the wood and how to reduce relative humidity in an enclosure. Also, I learned to take advantages of the times (even at midnight like Torres used to do it) when relative humidity is acceptable. What I think would be the most critical aspect is the quality of woods. However, nowdays, they are actually importing wood through the border with US and making real nice and goold quality guitars. Of course, you will have to know well and have references of the luthiers.

Guillermo Rosado
01-25-2005, 09:00 AM
Pepe:
I 100% agree with You.
The most respected luthiers in México are also using well aged woods.
Here is the info I was given for the woods used in one of my guitars:
Tapa: Pinabete de Canadá, 15 años.
Caja: Palo Santo "Rosa" de la India, 22 años.
Brazo: Cedro de Honduras, 12 años.
Diapasón; Ebano de Madagascar, 18 años.
Puente; Jacaranda (Palo Santo de Río), Brasil, 15 años.
Where in the "L.A. Area" are You ?
Un saludo
Guillermo

Pepe Vergara
01-25-2005, 09:32 AM
Pepe:
I 100% agree with You.
The most respected luthiers in México are also using well aged woods.
Here is the info I was given for the woods used in one of my guitars:
Tapa: Pinabete de Canadá, 15 años.
Caja: Palo Santo "Rosa" de la India, 22 años.
Brazo: Cedro de Honduras, 12 años.
Diapasón; Ebano de Madagascar, 18 años.
Puente; Jacaranda (Palo Santo de Río), Brasil, 15 años.
Where in the "L.A. Area" are You ?
Un saludo
Guillermo


Guillermo: The information provided to you may be correct. However, how do we know the age of the wood? Trust their word? Is there a chain of custody in each piece of wood? Some of the wood sound better if older, but I am not sure they can afford to have such an important amount of money invested aging. I did follow Jose Oribe's advise in his book. The first thing he did when he decided to start making guitars professionally, was to get a loan at a bank and purchase all the woood he could. I think he still has wood from that purchase. I invested some money in purchasing from Brazilian, Indian rosewood to spruce and keep them aging in my own place. Some of the Brazilian I purchased it is supposed to be from 1960 (so the CITES paper says). It cost a bit of money to do that.

I was in Mexico several years ago and "worked" (mostly hanging around) several luthiers. Several of them work with templates and fixed jigs. When I asked them about changing the scale a bit, they could not do it, they did not know it. They did have a wonderful hand to build beautiful guitars, but just following the mold. Very few of the ones I saw could actually change a design on the go or adjust something. One of those made a guitar for me under my specs. When I came back, he had done the things the way I told him not to, why? he could not read a plan!! That was my fault. However, after explaining with extra care and following up, he made the best sounding guitar ever with cedar top and palo escrito. I think many people do not know that palo escrito is a real rosewood from the Dalbergia family. That is a really nice sounding wood, and the figures it has. Stong and light, works for both, clssical and flamenco.


I am in the Los Angeles area more to the south on the way to San Diego

Guillermo Rosado
01-25-2005, 09:53 AM
Pepe:
Yes, it is my understanding that some of the good ones have invested a lot of money in their wood supply. I can think He is one of them.
Visited his shop a month ago, and He showed me his Construction Log Book. He needed some dimensional data of my guitar.
I can only say, impressive. Every detail, including the plans on each instrument, construction notes, invoice numbers and dates of everything used in each one of his guitars is listed there.
I feel he is very professional.
Hey !!, I visit Fullerton regularly, I hope We can meet some day.
Best regards.
Guillermo

a333a
01-25-2005, 02:18 PM
Hola a333a:
Where in Nuevo León are You ??
I am in Tepic Nayarit.
Yes, the Zalapa is a great instrument, and I like it very much.
If You noticed my "avatar" is a picture of my Zalapa Rosette.
Saludos

Guillermo

Monterrey, NL. My Zalapa is an old timer (1997) and I can see that you have almost a new one perhaps from last year, the rossette on mine is diferent and I guess you have the new right arm rest, don't you?

Guillermo Rosado
01-26-2005, 08:41 AM
a333a:
Yes, it´s one of the new ones (July 2004) and it has the arm rest.
I have played one like yours that belongs to Luis Josué Soto Campos and another one from 1995 from José Guadalupe López Luévano.
They are both lovely instruments, and have a Romanillos style rosette.
Saludos desde Tepic

Guillermo

a333a
01-26-2005, 06:44 PM
I know Luis Josué Soto, he was a friend of my mom, ask him if he knows Lupita Garcidueñas from Morelia...

Perhaps we need to try some spanish don't you think? :lol:

Guillermo Rosado
01-27-2005, 08:33 AM
a333a:
Claro !!.
Mi correo es:
jadis029 en infonavit punto org punto mx
Luis Josué is a very talented guitarist and composer.
A very close friend of mine and my son.
I will wait for Your mail.
Best wishes
Guillermo