SUGGESTION FOR ADMIN

[Libre]

SUGGESTION FOR ADMIN
I think it would be a good idea if it were easier to contact an administrator about technical difficulties, about misplaced posts in the wrong forum (I'm always doing this), about other forum matters not necessarily intended for public consumption, and most of all, about disturbing people that have no interest in contributing anything other than cruelty, hostility, and obnoxious garbage.
It is perhaps debatable whether or not non-guitar related issues should be allowed here. I, for one, would not like to see ANY topic out of bounds, as long as it is decent enough to be aired in a public forum. However, there are certain posters that clearly have a hatred for other posters, for reasons known only to themselves. These predators wait in hiding, and then, unprovoked, hurl their slings and arrows at some of our most valued members.
This is NOT to be confused with the disagreements, debates (sometimes hotly contested), "jousts" (as you put it yourself), or other dialogue that may not always be construed as "friendly". The clash of opinions is what foruming is all about - or it is what makes it interesting. I am NOT referring to that at all.
What I AM referring to, is the hateful taunting that certain members are known for. These members do not contribute anything of value, and they seek only to harass, disrupt, abuse, and annoy.

I would like to see a simple button, easy to find, that says something like ADMIN HELP or REPORT THIS POST. A simple email shell could come up, or else a private post to the admin could be sent.
THen, the management could evaluate whether a member is abusing his privilages and should be unceremoniously dispatched off the forum permanently.
That would by YOUR decision, obviously, but it is clear to me that a remedy is needed to the problem I have stated above.
Thank you

[GSI Fan]

Libre,

You are a genuinely pleasant participant in forum issues. I've found your input interesting as-well-as valuable. Marc, you’ve always stood your ground and in a polite way; but quashing an individual’s freedom of input is wrong. You yourself have gone on record as saying, “…You are free to participate in any thread you wish…I don't know why you would seek to stop others who are engaged in such discussions, however.”, and “Now don't get me wrong - as I said I like you. I like everybody.”, and “…I welcome the exchange of views, and I respect the opinions of others, whether they agree with me or not.

Marc, it doesn’t sound like you at all as I read this new post. :? If you’re having a bad day, I know I have a lot more these days, it will pass. SMILE!!! :) We all get annoyed from time to time. Exclusionism is not a favorable solution though. Sure there’s a few rebels out there…it makes it a little fun and a lot more exciting. Your bud Jubi “The Dragon” is one of the forums’ beloved “friendly” dragons. We all try to avoid stepping into the cross-hairs of the all friendly dragons out there when we post. The less friendly renegade dragons are simply hidden mines. Fortunately, they won’t harm you or me though. Chipper up there Sparky! :wink:

Fan

[Jubilee Valence]

...pppsstt 'Fan...actually when I say "don't wake the dragon"--it usually refers to THE dragon-(the one with the little red button....a.d.m.i.n)--unless I see an obvious flame thrown out at somebody(kinda gets my "scales" all leathered up)--you know--fight fire with fire....but those getting flamed usually aren't deserving of abuse---either "initiated"-as in one nasty shot...or 'continual'--"ad infinitum"--as in a recent "rat pack"(two on one)--from two continents! I know that,for instance,when I post at "brand X"(some "here" go there also...)--the same "stuff" comes flyin' every time-by the same ones-but I can discern the real problems & deal with 'em accordingly(f vs f) but with the shoe on the other foot,I'd hate to think that anyone has to anticipate "cross-hairs" around here; myself,--I enjoy posting after certain "buds"-sort of a "support" type of thing & hopefully without stepping on toes...but I'm always good natured in the support mode! As far as THE dragon...they don't miss anything!....incidentally,at "X",---- when they stopped printing-"this post edited at-----------" whenever someone would add or delete some info---man!-you should have seen the abuse!--certain "folks" would post really abusive crap & then "change it" when the "war" started & would call out for admin!!!---we out smarted them by copying the first flame-right on the spot-so they'd get busted "on the spot"!!!---it's never happened since!!!!!!...I would like to think that the "less friendly" types you refer to aren't really dragons...more like "gnats"!!--swat 'em!!!

[Libre]

GSI - and others:
I don't know where you got the idea that I was peeved at Jubi. I re-read my post several times, and can't see anything that would relate my annoyance to Jubi. He is, as you said, a dear and valued member.

I don't care if someone disagrees with every value I hold dear. I would not seek to exclude anybody based on their views. But I don't think that freedom of input is absolute. There is a restriction against abusive posting.

But you're right, I'll just forget it. I'm very tired right now and I need to go to sleep. I have a life to attend to, and I can't get too worried about childish vitriol.

[Faya]

Hmmmm..........????? :? :?:
Yo Monro' Jubi.........the only "dragons" i see are those "magical" ones that sometimes come out to play when the moon is full and there's way to much fun to be had on a forum then to say.................... :shock: :shock: :shock: ahhhhh..........OK !! that really made no sense but it was something...... :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...........
Anyway i didn't see any rip on the Jubster...........unless i missed it......... :?: :?: :?: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :mrgreen:

[Jubilee Valence]

--but I didn't get anything like that from 'Fan's post or yours,so diggin' through the "read all posts" device, all I see that might be a pain is "Loo-dun" :lol: :lol: :lol: ---he get's a few :lol: pints in 'im, & all of a sudden :lol: 'e's 16 bleedin' instead of 'is usual 14 1/2 stones! :lol: :lol: :lol:("puros"!) :wink:

[Sandra]

Libre,

I agree with you on the fact that we need a way to address forum issues with management. In fact, last night I sent an email to gsimail@guitarsalon.com to request the very same.

Let's cut to the chase here... I will spell it out for anyone in the dark. You seemed to take offense at my posting in this thread (http://forum.guitarsalon.com/viewtopic.php?t=2184) about the fact that I felt a thread about "earth day" was off-topic for a guitar forum. You then made a thinly-veiled sarcastic flame against me because you did not agree with my viewpoint, even going so far as to state, "your participation was intended only to kill the thread and to prevent others (who were clearly involved in this conversation) from voicing their thoughts." Please do not presume my intentions.

I don't have to agree with you, nor you with me. That is not the issue here. In your post above (which you cross-posted to both General Discussion and the Suggestion Box, in violation of common netiquette, BTW), you mentioned:

"...disturbing people that have no interest in contributing anything other than cruelty, hostility, and obnoxious garbage.

...there are certain posters that clearly have a hatred for other posters, for reasons known only to themselves. These predators wait in hiding, and then, unprovoked, hurl their slings and arrows at some of our most valued members.

...What I AM referring to, is the hateful taunting that certain members are known for. These members do not contribute anything of value, and they seek only to harass, disrupt, abuse, and annoy."

I can only assume you are talking about me because of issues involved. Allow me to assure you that, while I may occasionally disagree with others' viewpoints, I fully respect their right to discuss them. Like you, I welcome debate and open exchange.

My entire point was that off-topic postings are not necessarily welcomed by all here (and there were several who agreed with me) and I even proposed that GSI management may wish to consider adding an "off-topic" subforum so that those of us who visit for guitar-related discussion can avoid non-related threads, thus keeping both factions happy.

If the above statements were not directed at me, then I apologize. Otherwise, such statements sound extremely vituperous and uncalled for. While I may lurk more than post, I would mention that post count and join date are irrelevant to one's ability to contribute meaningfully in a community such as this.

I wish you a good day. :)

Sandra

[a333a]

I don't see the end of the world with that earth day post, but is so big for a lot of people (for good and for bad).

:roll:

[GSI Fan]

Hey Libre,

Hope you’re sporting a big smile today. I singled out Jubi to make a point. The point I was trying to get across was the fun and friendly posters (Jubi most certainly falls into this category) that you can’t help but think about as you write a post. Myself, I chuckle as I post wondering if I’ve sounded the “Friendly Dragon” (you know…the fun barbs) alert. Regardless of how careful we try to be, we’re bound to set-off an alert from time-to-time.

Here’s a quote: “Post and Duck”

Abusive posters, well I suppose we could do without them. I shrug them off and see them as they are…unpleasant. Name callers, I’ve had my run-in, it happens. I let it go (for the most part). Everyone is wired a little different. I'd hate to see someone debarred because of a bad day or because of a mistake.

Sandra, I don’t think Libre was referring to you. You did not come across as abusive, merely stating a point.

Jubi, thanks for understanding my original intention.

[Libre]

To ALL-
First let me say that in retrospect, I overreacted to a little jab from a little guy that probably can't be as bad as he tries to seem. I've already forgotten all about it. Geez - when I really want to wake the dragon, it will be something serious, and all HELL will be breaking loose. It won't be about a puny little rank-out like the one I received.

GSI FAN-
Thank you for your friendly compliments and your calming influence.

Sandra-
My post had nothing to do with you. Now, who is it that is presuming intentions? I presumed nothing about your intentions.
I'm paraphrasing:
You said that threads like Earth Day had no place on a guitar forum, which should be restricted only to guitar topics. I said you were seeking to end a conversation in progress, which you were. Again, I presumed ZERO about your intentions.

You presumed that I was referring to you, Sandra, in my SUGGESTION post. That was completely false.

I mentioned no name, nor did I even state that I was responding to anyone or anything specific. You presumed it was all about you.

You said it is a breech of etiquette to cross post. If you read my post, other than the parts that you quoted, I said that admin help is needed, because by mistake, I often post in the wrong forum. I posted in General Discussion, then realized there was a SUGGESTION forum, and re-posted in that one, where it belonged in the first place. The forum does not allow me to delete, so I had to live with the double posting, which frankly bothered me, but I was late for my Passover Seder and just decided to live with it.

You say your number of posts and the date you joined has nothing to do with whether somone can contribute meaningfully. I totally agree with that. I never referred to the fact that you have a small handful of posts, nor am I aware of the date you joined. Regardless of that, I think it is a breech of etiquette to enter a conversation that people are engaged in and seek to surpress it. It is not my presumption, that is what ocurred.

Lastly, to state that you contacted GSI staff to complain specifically about me, because I wrote a brief, humorous post illustrating the futility of your position, makes me worry about you a little.

So, have a nice day yourself.

[ykabban]

Libre, Sandra,
relax, it's not that serious. Ignore pests and they will go away. Pests do things to get a reaction out of people. You are rewarding and amusing them by reacting and inciting others whom you have no problem with. Don't get annoyed with such frivolity; you have better things to do with your time and energy. Later.

[Pepe Vergara]

...... ignore pest and they will go away. Pests do things to get a reaction out of people........

No matter what, I still believe a person who chose to play classical guitar is special and above the crowd. I think the same about flamenco players. I would not compare them to pest at all.

-----------------------------
Also, the statement about ignoring pests is not true: I have spend lots of money buying rat poison for some unwanted visitors in my back yard because I ignored them. I am not talking figuratively in these two last sentences.

[Libre]

You're right, ykabban.
By the way, I don't know if you saw when I responded to your post in a different thread a short time ago. I didn't see a reply, so maybe you missed it. I forgot where it was now - but you mentioned that we didn't get along before, and I said the I have nothing for respect for scientists (which I had no idea was your profession until recently) and if we didn't get along it was probably prompted by my "ranting".
Anyway - keep science-ing. We need a counterbalance to the Luddites out there - and there are far too many of them.

Pepe -
I think that in many cases, yk is correct - not with an infestation of rats, but more when a person is trying to (as we say) "get your goat". Or in other words, to bother you. When you try to fight such a person, you demostrate that he has indeed, gotten your goat.
I go to the wisdom of Aesop to illustrate. A gnat that had been buzzing around the head of a huge ox all day said, "...errr, excuse me great ox, but I hope I haven't annoyed you too much. I know how irritating it can be to have a gnat buzzing around your head all day."
The great ox replied, "HUH? Who's that? A gnat? You haven't annoyed me at all. I didn't even know you were there."

[Jubilee Valence]

Libre,

I agree with you on the fact that we need a way to address forum issues with management. In fact, last night I sent an email to gsimail@guitarsalon.com to request the very same.

Let's cut to the chase here... I will spell it out for anyone in the dark. You seemed to take offense at my posting in this thread (http://forum.guitarsalon.com/viewtopic.php?t=2184) about the fact that I felt a thread about "earth day" was off-topic for a guitar forum. You then made a thinly-veiled sarcastic flame against me because you did not agree with my viewpoint, even going so far as to state, "your participation was intended only to kill the thread and to prevent others (who were clearly involved in this conversation) from voicing their thoughts." Please do not presume my intentions.

I don't have to agree with you, nor you with me. That is not the issue here. In your post above (which you cross-posted to both General Discussion and the Suggestion Box, in violation of common netiquette, BTW), you mentioned:

"...disturbing people that have no interest in contributing anything other than cruelty, hostility, and obnoxious garbage.

...there are certI may lurk more than post, I would mention that post count and join date are irrelevant to one's ability to contribute meaningfully in a community such as this.

I wish you a good day. :)

Sandra.......suggestion.....hhhmmmnn,OK YKB,I'll pull this one temporary like....but it is saved!--as stated, we have no way to contact this "distressed damsel"--but I'll defer to your wisdom doc!...pretty good though, huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: ...but I am "itchin'!!!--hope she keeps bitchin'!(God! I love strong powerful women!.....)

[Dave Tate]

Hello everyone,
I did receive an email this morning, and the thread did seem to be getting out of hand, especially being that it wasn't even specifically guitar-related.
While it is fairly common for arguments and off-topic subjects to arise on a forum, we do try to keep intervention to a mimimum.
For now, the best way to address forum issues is to contact either Adrian or myself directly, at adrian@guitarsalon.com or davetate@guitarsalon.com
Thanks!
Dave

[itsdono]

I've been on-record as advocating guitar-related posts only, since this is a guitar site. However, as I thought about it more, I concluded that other people may want to be able to talk about anything and everything here, regardless of whether it has anything to do with guitars. If that's what they want to do, then fine. Ultimately it is up to GSI to decide, since that may be an extra administrative burden.

Perhaps someone would post a simple yes or no poll question - something like "Would you like to see a new forum section for non-guitar related topics?"

That may provide GSI with some numerical feedback on the interest level.

[Libre]

Any discussion can wend it's way through diverse subjects (that's why they call them "threads"). The subject could start: Who was the finest guitarist in the Western Hemisphere in the years between 1900 and 1975?
And after 10 replies, or even after 1, the subject could be: Why does fresh orange juice taste better than frozen?

So what's wrong with that????? This is what it is all about - or what I would LIKE it to be. "The free and open exchange of ideas and opinions" (to quote a right wing talk show host that this left wing liberal enjoys - or used to).
Yes, this is a guitar forum, and the vast majority of posts relate to the guitar, but who is harmed if a subject veers off into the great unknown?
Anybody can say, "I actually like frozen better, but to get back to the topic at hand...".

What I don't want to see is, "I don't want people talking about this subject here, so everbody has to stop writing about it."

BTW, I have consistantly said that SOME topics SHOULD be off limits. They are the sort of subjects that lack the decency to be aired in a public forum of mixed company. OR - also as I have said - personal attacks, abusive language, things of that nature should be prohibited, I think. But to restrict where thread can wonder to? How boring it would become, if I can't just free associate and let my mind wonder anywhere it wants to go.

Maybe there should be an OFF TOPIC forum. But to tell you the truth, I have trouble with all the different forums. I don't always post in the right one, then I realize it too late. OR, I want to find a post and don't know which forum to look in.

[itsdono]

Marc,

A few thoughts:

On your point about a thread that "veers off" into some unrelated area - that happens naturally and is innocuous. No problem there. The thread in question was specifically started on an unrelated topic, it didn't just veer off there.

Take a quick look at the headings of the various forums - they all have specific sub-headings that relate to the guitar. It certainly appears that the intent of GSI is to host forums related specifically to guitar issues.

In my particular experience, when I came onto the site the other day and saw the post "Earth Day - let's help out" I thought to myself, "Hmm...I wonder how that relates to the guitar?"

But after reading the post, I learned it had nothing to do with the guitar, except for Pepe's Brazilian rosewood post - it was just someone's (well-intentioned) post on environmental issues. And of course there were replies, some vehement ones, so that it created in me that same response that makes people stare at horror movies - you can't turn away. So I found myself reading most of the posts and finally I had to shake my head and get out of there. My time was wasted, (sure I could have chosen not to read) but I practically forgot why I had come to the site and I ended up wondering why that post got on here.

As to your point about "SOME topics SHOULD be off limits..." it sounds like you're defining what "decency" is, but then what is decent to you may be indecent to someone else. So, does GSI want to get into the Off-topic forum business? If I were Tim M., I'd certainly choose to keep it just to guitars, unless enough of my forum members told me otherwise.

Which is why I like the idea of a poll to determine interest level.

I guess it is all about expectations. We all come to this forum with the expectation of learning or sharing information about guitars, technique, music and musicians. We also come to connect and maybe make a few online friends. To me, GSI is like a refuge from the rest of the sometimes difficult world. Others are different - Some people want to bring into the forum unrelated issues as starting points. So all I can say is look at the results of that off-topic thread - people bickering, fighting and generally increasing the blood pressure of the participants. Is that what you want? I doubt it. Seems to me to not be a very good example to hang your hat on for why GSI should encourage this.

[Libre]

itsdono -
A few of my thoughts. I don't believe that the bickering, elevated blood pressure, etc. had to do with the fact that it was off topic. I mean, people can get just as animated about strumming vs arpeggios. If you saw that one, you know what I mean. That was a blood fest. And I enjoyed reading the thread, to be honest.
As far as who can determine what is decent? That is the judgement we make whenever we engage in social discourse. We all know what is indecent, don't we? There might be some gray areas, but if the poster does not know or think he is being indecent, then GSI has the right and responsibility to make that call. An equally nebulous determination would have to be made about what is ON topic and what is OFF. As I demonstrated in the Earth Day post, ANY topic can be made to relate to guitars. If I want to talk about capital punishment, I might ask, "Should a condemned prisoner have the right to play the guitar before (or while) they fry him"? I mean, it may sound stupid or contentious to say so (Sandra objected to my similar example on the Earth Day thread) but I can relate ANY topic you can conceive of to a guitar issue, if I really want to talk about it and they adopt this RULE that ALL TOPICS MUST relate to the guitar.

[itsdono]

What I read in your post are numerous "can" examples.

"...people 'can' get just as animated about strumming vs arpeggios." "ANY topic 'can' be made to relate to guitars..." "I 'can' relate ANY topic you can conceive of to a guitar issue,..."

Sure, people 'can' do virtually anything in any way, if you just want to prove your point within the wider realm of possibility. However, in the example that we're debating, the thread poster did not do that, nor did almost all of the respondents to that post.

Again, I do think that a separate Off-topic sub-forum should be created if that is what people want - simple "truth-in-advertising" if you will. But tell me, based on the existing forum descriptions on the site, where would you have classified the environmental post?

-Don

[Jubilee Valence]

btw-I meant overabundance as in "on the market"--a la ivory etc....but I DARE not post this "clarification" on the "EARTH DAY THREAD" where it rightly belongs!!!---due to our now attempted "supression" of our beloved site, by the "subject nazis"...Marc!--could you please let Dan-O know of my good albeit "clumsy" intentions...sorry to have dropped this in here?!------BULL!--let 'im know, my bruthah!!! ---Hasta, Jubi

[larilian]

You guys are making me sad :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :wink: Or..... :idea: :!: am I making myself sad because I choose to keep reading this thread :?: I am so confused :P


ps.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[GSI Fan]

GSI Fan is here. :shock:

Look you two, keep it up and you're both grounded! :lol: Understand?

[Libre]

Now, as I was saying, if a condemned prisoner were about to be toasted, should he be allowed to play the guitar, even if it were made with Brazilian Rosewood and contained elephant ivory? And while I'm on that subject, do you think is it environmentally sensitive to electrocute such a person, and thus unnecessarily deplete our supply of electrical energy, which we all know is produced by the combustion of fossil fuel, which we all know produces greenhouse gasses, air pollution, and other environmentally undesirable by-products, when it would be equally effective (and perhaps more humane) to inject a lethal dose of barbituate into his bloodstream, or maybe just gillotine the dude like they used to do in the good old days, when Brizilian Rosewood and elephant ivory were both plentiful and legal?

That is my question. I hope nobody minds my inquiry, as it is quite clear it is guitar related.

[GSI Fan]

Since you brought it up and it’s pertinent to guitar playing (I think), you’re certainly due a pleasant reply.

IMO, an environmentally friendly manufactured guitar would not be an unreasonable request from a condemned prisoner. BR and Ivory would definitely be out of the question. To ensure such requests can be granted, all prisons should be required to purchase used instruments right now. I’m always thinking Ecomonics.

Now to address your methodology question; your missing the public humiliation element of execution. The guillotine is partially effective, but I think it will require added consumption and maintenance. That of course could lead to an adverse environmental impact. Also, I fail to see the deterrent value for future hardened criminals. Modify that thought slightly; say for instance, the condemned was required to electrocute themselves that would be effective. Keeping in mind the environment, the use of salvaged parts, the assistance of a couple engineers and I bet we could fashion a bicycle and helmet combination. The condemned would mount the bike, attach the helmet and pedal. An electro do-hickey (you electromechanically inclined can help out here) would convert the most sensitive movement of the pedal (in either direction) into a hefty currant and poof…it’s show time!!!

Hey, maybe we could hold a raffle. Winners could attend this public display. They'll all be given rocks to hurle at the biker just in case the condemned is able to steady themself for too long. And the proceeds from the raffle I get. My idea = My $$$.

[brian richardson]

jubi, in my book, is 'the' stand and be counted member on this board.
he's always there to encourage and as far as i'm concerned, one of the most valuable members of our community. now, he doesn't need me to jump in and defend................. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

edit: and he's a fine guitar player(had to keep it related)

[Jubilee Valence]

jubi, in my book, is 'the' stand and be counted member on this board.
he's always there to encourage and as far as i'm concerned, one of the most valuable members of our community. now, he doesn't need me to jump in and defend................. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :arrow: Thank you , stranger!!(hey,evil twin!--I'll send ya' that ten bucks tommorrow!--sssshh!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[GSI Fan]

I suppose your idea would work Jubes...Somehow I feel like I'm getting ripped-off. My idea equals my dough...your idea equals no dough for me!

[brian richardson]

can ya make it 20? :lol: :lol: :lol:
doing a moon check-thought i saw a guitar next to jackie glea.......

[Jubilee Valence]

I suppose your idea would work Jubes...Somehow I feel like I'm getting ripped-off. My idea equals my dough...your idea equals no dough for me!--how'zat?you wanna reallysave the earth :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...lose... :lol: :lol: :lol: ...the... :lol: :lol: :lol: ...DOOR KEY!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :P :P :P :P :P :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :mrgreen: "YO DA LITTLE LA-DEEEEEEEEEEE HOOOOOOOO"

[Jubilee Valence]

jubi, in my book, is 'the' stand and be counted member on this board.
he's always there to encourage and as far as i'm concerned, one of the most valuable members of our community. now, he doesn't need me to jump in and defend................. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

edit: and he's a fine guitar player(had to keep it related) :arrow: twenty is is--------------------- 8) [/i]

[GSI Fan]

My idea...my money!!! Get it? Take away my money and I'll have half of Italy all over ya'. I've gone through the initiation!!! (thought I missed that one huh?)

[Jubilee Valence]

ooops double post--sayonara,buenas noches...

[GSI Fan]

Ok, now you made me feel bad. I'll split the chump change with ya.

There is an ever so slight possiblity that I'd consider possibly not quite in total agreement with your, what may appear on the surface to be but may not actually be an accusation. Please clarify if I haven't insulted or otherwise caused ill will.

[Tim Miklaucic]

Hi friends of the forum,

We realize that we walk a fine line between constructive intervention and censorship. It is not easy to allow everyone to state their view, encourage civility and not get in the way of normal dialogue. In this particular thread, I think things have gotten out of hand and it would probably be better to cut it off however, I will leave this for Adrian to decide.

Nevertheless, I am amazed at the general enthusiam for our forum and am very grateful to all of you who contribute. To me the most important aspect of our forum is that it provides the opportunity to have an open dialogue relating to the guitar and its music. Please try to avoid personal attacks and respect everyone's right to express themselves.

Sincerely,

Tim Miklaucic

[Sandra]

Libre,

Wow, now it looks like this thread has really gotten out of hand since I last checked in.

I think you and I have both made some presumptions. And there's that old saying that when you *ASSUME* you make and *ASS* out of *U* and *ME*.

I never said I contacted GSI staff to complain about you. I bemoaned the lack of an ability to report threads here or to be able to contact someone about a thread if one feels it's gone awry. Basically the same point you brought up here. No names were even mentioned on my part.

As for cross-posting, it says we do have the ability to edit our own posts even if we can't delete them. You could have edited it so say "oops" or something?

I still think GSI should consider an "off topic" forum where non-guitar related stuff could go, that would keep both sides happy, those who don't want to read non-guitar posts could just avoid it, and those who want a place to discuss non-guitar issues could have free reign.

So, will you accept an olive branch between us and let us just agree to disagree sometimes? :)

Sandra

[Libre]

Sandra -
I never refuse an olive branch, when it is offered. For one thing, I love olives, and you never know what could be clinging to the branch. And for another, olive wood could be a viable alternative to Brazilian Rosewood (I'm trying to keep this guitar related).
OK, relax. My sense of humor (?) will not permit me to be serious most of the time. If you could see my grin, you would know there was no ill intent - either now, or the other post you thought was a veiled flame.

One other small point - I'm forever editing my double-posts, writing "double posted" (how appropriate) or "withdrawn". This particular time, I was late for a Seder (as I had said) and at home I still have dial-up, and if I had waited to do the "oops" as you said they would have been up the the 4th question by the time I got to my brother-in-law's house in New Jersey.

This thread, as you correctly stated, HAS gotten entirely out of hand. We have all stated our positions clearly and repeatedly. Some of us want to post about whatever crosses our mind, some want to restrict the subject matter. Let's leave things as they are now, and let Dave and Adrian and Tim and the other EXCELLENT GSI staff muddle through this.

NO MORE FIGHTNING PLEASE! (on this thread, at least).

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[itsdono]

I woke up this morning to a brand new day, the smell of coffee in the air and to the words written by the owner of GSI...

To me the most important aspect of our forum is that it provides the opportunity to have an open dialogue relating to the guitar and its music. Please try to avoid personal attacks and respect everyone's right to express themselves.

Music to my ears! :D

[Dave Tate]

Hi everyone,
I had to shut this thread down. It was getting way too abusive. I'm sure you are all aware of our forum rules.
If there is a serious dispute going on, please deal with it privately. There is no reason to use our forum as a medium to attack one another, regardless of who believes they are right.
Thanks for understanding,
Dave