Best flamenco guitarist poll?

[Mitch]

How about it?

[NGiorgio]

Best currently active player or the all time best?

My pick for best active player would have to be PdL. Best all time for me would be Sabicas.

However, currently my favorites would be Gerardo Nunez, Tomatito and Vicente Amigo.

[Mitch]

I just noticed the poll for the best classical player up there and was feeling left out.

Sabicas would get my vote as well.

[dennis]

Favorite compositional: Manolo Sanlucar (tauromagia!)
Current favorite player: Vicente Amigo

All time, I'd have to go with Paco, but best bulerias of all time would be Diego del Gastor.

[Dave Tate]

...but best bulerias of all time would be Diego del Gastor.
Hear hear! I don't know about "best", but he's definitely my favorite! Him and his nephew Paco.

Dave

[Mitch]

Hey GSI staff guy - I was trying to get us a nice stickied official looking poll like those classical guys have.....

[Pepe Vergara]

Put me down for El Nino Joselo as best flamenco player!

Right below Joselo: Nacio de Faya

Close third, a tie: Mitch and Jubi

Fourth: Manitas de plata!!!! :evil:

Fifth: Esteban

Sixth: Todd

Seventh: Paco

Eight: El Nino de las Habas (Sabicas)

[Pepe Vergara]

Check with Dave. I think he has to do a set up.

[Mitch]

Put me down for El Nino Joselo as best flamenco player!

Right below Joselo: Nacio de Faya

Close third, a tie: Mitch and Jubi

Fourth: Manitas de plata!!!! :evil:

Fifth: Esteban

Sixth: Todd

Seventh: Paco

Eight: El Nino de las Habas (Sabicas)


Do you know another Mitch?

[deAlmeida]

Gerardo Nunez, Sabicas, Pepe Habichuela, Paco Cepero, Tomatito, Moraito, Pedro Bacan, Quique Paredes

:twisted:

[Pepe Vergara]

I am talking about Jubilee's friend. JV has convinced me that he is very good. Do you know him, or is that you?

In terms of cantaores, right after Camaron, Pepe Vergara. Vamos, do not confuse this cantaor with the luthier.

[Dave Tate]

Hey GSI staff guy - I was trying to get us a nice stickied official looking poll like those classical guys have.....

Hey Mitch, you should be able to when you hit "new thread". The bottom section is to "add a poll". Just put the question in, and add the choices (answers) under "options".

Let me know if it works.

Dave

[deAlmeida]

for cantaores I would have to say Camaron, La Paquera, and El Indio Gitano

[Mitch]

Hey GSI staff guy - I was trying to get us a nice stickied official looking poll like those classical guys have.....

Hey Mitch, you should be able to when you hit "new thread". The bottom section is to "add a poll". Just put the question in, and add the choices (answers) under "options".

Let me know if it works.

Dave

OK - Everyone give me suggestions for the list - I'm new at this flamenco stuff.

Pepe - I'm sure JV was talking about me, but you know what JV tends to be full of I assume...

[Todd]

Put me down for El Nino Joselo as best flamenco player!

Right below Joselo: Nacio de Faya

Close third, a tie: Mitch and Jubi

Fourth: Manitas de plata!!!! :evil:

Fifth: Esteban

Sixth: Todd

Seventh: Paco

Eight: El Nino de las Habas (Sabicas)

Whipped by Mr smallhands!!! :shock: :lol:
Honoured to make your list Pepe! :lol:

Im going with the cliche one, though he is my true favorite.

What can i say, i love the guy.

Paco de Lucia

[Faya]

HOLY ****!!! :shock: ..........i actually made someones list! :shock: :? :lol: ...........Thanks Pepe!!!!.............i am your humble servant! 8)

Let's see.............
i've said it before & i'll say it again ......RODRIGOOOoooo!!!!....
Followed by Chuscales & Manolo Sanlucar.

And ToddK is right inbetween Al di Meola & John McLaughlin......JUST KIDDING DUDE!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :P ...........
i think you are a great guitarist TK! :wink: ..............and i know John & Al DO NOT PLAY Flamenco........ :mrgreen:

Of Course my Dad is on this list too................... 8) RIP

[rumbamaster]

Vicente all the way! Next Paco and then Gerardo. :D

[G string]

I agree with most of you. Sabicas, Nino Ricardo, Ramon Montoya, Manolo de Huelva. Most soul goes to Diego del Gastor. I'm more influenced by the old style(old school) of flamenco. The new style is leading toward fast scales, picado, picado, picado and less rhythm. Ever since the solo flamenco guitar was introduced to the rest of the world egos have grown astronomically! It's almost like heavy metal, who can play the fastest! Remember the history of flamenco and what the music is expressing. Anybody feel the same way?

[ChrisAM86]

Antonio Banderas in Desperado

[Pepe Vergara]

Antonio Banderas in Desperado

Good thing you brought this up. Who played that music that Banderas was supposed to? Also, what guitar was he playing? IT sounded very good. I do not think he was playing the unfinished one shown in the movie, he supposely got it in Paracho (I think it was actually baja California). Then he broke it pieces later on. What a shame.

[iberianwolf]

I must agree with G string as I am also influenced by the older, traditional styles of flamenco. I like his selection of players, too. To that list I would add Parrilla de Jerez.
While a lot of the younger, and some not so young, solo players have phenominal techniques, their sometimes total lack of duende or aire leave me totally cold.

Contrary to much popular belief, flamenco is not about playing fast and loud.

[hcrunyon]

I can't name a favorite for any period. Favorite active players include PdL, Moraito Chico (aka just Moraito), Gerardo Nuñez... and maybe the most impressive player technically whom I've heard (only on records, alas) (and I don't just mean fast picado--I mean rhythm, thunder, soft touch, empty spaces, the whole deal): Rafael Riqueni. Check out the CDs _Mi Tiempo_ and _Alcazar de Cristal_. And _Maestros_, if you can find anyone who has a copy of it. He's breathtaking. But for all-purpose fun playing, my pick is Moraito.

Another fave is an old teacher of mine, Tino van der Sman, from Holland. His CD _Desatino_ is tremendous both for guitar and for the cante of the friends who worked on it with him. Worth looking for, if you're open to progressive (but always historically respectful) flamenco.

If we're going back in history as far as Ramón Montoya (mentioned by someone above) then I have to add Miguel Borrull, from the same era as RM. Not better, but also a fantastic player and ahead of his time. And I can only second the mention of Niño Ricardo. An awful lot of the falsetas that I've learned from all kinds of people (including good flamencos in Spain) end up jumping out at me from old recordings of his. And from Diego del Gastor's, for that matter.

Howard Runyon
Lake Placid, NY

[dennis]

Pepe - I saw in an interview a few years ago Antonio actually plays pretty well, he picked up the guitar in one interview and ran a pretty good soleares.

Oh, and another amazing flamenco album is the Duquende & Tomatito record, one of my favorites ever!!

[Faya]

i can't forget Juan Serrano and Mariano Cordoba..............

And Diego del Gastor!!............i can't believe i forgot him :shock: !!
What's wrong with me!! :shock: :shock: :oops:

And i'll give a vote for Manitas and Carlos M. too................. :wink: :mrgreen:

OK...........i can't pick just one...........i love them all for different reasons! :lol:

La Paquera gets my vote for cante. :!:

[samwise]

Moraito, Juan Martin, Tomatito, Diego Del Gastor, PDL, Adam Del Monte...
Todd & Ricardo are up there too...
BTW, never heard Jubi or Faya play, would love to add them to the list...any uploads we can sample for review? :)

[Faya]

hey sam,
unfortunately i no longer play flamenco anymore,(in the traditional sense),........other than the fact i feel the same way as Camaron in his "quote" i used as my signature :wink:
Although i LOVE!!! flamenco and have played it with dances and singers since i was a kid, and the fact it has been a family tradition for GOD KNOWS how many generations..........i just don't have any desire to do it anymore, just not my vision for what i want from music :( ..........i would rather watch and listen to it instead.
i will however teach my Son to play traditional flamenco so that it still remains a family tradition. i will also teach him to experament with other stuff as well.
i will leave it up to him to decide whether or not he does it.

i do play original music that has a strong Flamenco sound, but i do not use the 12 beat compas as it's foundation..............so as others have pointed out many times before......"It's Not Flamenco!"...........and that's absolutly the 100% truth!..............i purposly do it that way! :lol:
i would be the first person to say "IT's Not Flamenco."
i do also have a soundclick page..........., but that is really mostly Ambient/Electronica stuff..........although a few songs do have some guitar in them.
And i do play gigs..........but as a solo guitarist doing original songs for nylon guitar. By the way if you are in wisconsin i have a gig comming up on Aug. 11th 8) .................but by all means if you want to hear Flamenco guitar it's probably not for you. :lol:

i'd be glad to give ya a sample though!!!

And Dave, don't worry dude...........i'll get that video of me with the Solista done one of these days and post it :lol: :wink: ........i may have to buy my own video camera first!! :oops: :lol:

:)

[samwise]

i'd be glad to give ya a sample though!!!
I'd be happy to recieve your sample....hey wait a minute. :lol: :shock:

Seriously though, I hear what your's saying, and, BTW, it don't have to be puro for me to like it. I'm pretty new to flamenco, and to be honest, I came to it by way of Ottmar and Jesse and a little Al. On the other hand, nothing makes me want to sing like a traditional alegrias played in strict compas...tiri ti tran, tran tran.

That's a cool thing that you want to teach your son, very lucky he is.

[Pepe Vergara]

... i no longer play flamenco anymore,(in the traditional sense),........i LOVE!!! flamenco and have played it with dances and singers since i was a kid, and the fact it has been a family tradition for GOD KNOWS how many generations..........i just don't have any desire to do it anymore, just not my vision for what i want from music .... i do play original music that has a strong Flamenco sound, but i do not use the 12 beat compas as it's foundation..............so as others have pointed out many times before......"It's Not Flamenco!"...........and that's absolutly the 100% truth!..............i purposly do it that way! :lol: :)

Heil to the true flamenco player. Just like Paco Pena said: the cante hondo cantaor does not tell stories, or composed pieces, they improvise and tell how they feel trough their singing, which in many times is just a continued loud cry!! Even when you write, you are playing flamenco. Your post is written in E minor!


i would be the first person to say "IT's Not Flamenco.":)

Faya: I have to disagree with you. Flamenco is and will continue to be a struggle of a group of people that has fusioned through circumnstances of life, through wars, problems, miseries, happiness, etc. Flamenco continue to be evolving in many ways. Paco Pena describe it very simply in Juliam Bream's LA GUITARRA video.

In the same video, Bream shows the influences that flamenco has received from the Hispanic America. Or would you tell me that PEDRO NAVAJA (a true Puerto Rican song describing the life and death of a pimp) is not a wonderful flamenco piece when played, sang, and danced? That video shows a bit of Pedro Navaja.

[Faya]

... i no longer play flamenco anymore,(in the traditional sense),........i LOVE!!! flamenco and have played it with dances and singers since i was a kid, and the fact it has been a family tradition for GOD KNOWS how many generations..........i just don't have any desire to do it anymore, just not my vision for what i want from music .... i do play original music that has a strong Flamenco sound, but i do not use the 12 beat compas as it's foundation..............so as others have pointed out many times before......"It's Not Flamenco!"...........and that's absolutly the 100% truth!..............i purposly do it that way! :lol: :)

Heil to the true flamenco player. Just like Paco Pena said: the cante hondo cantaor does not tell stories, or composed pieces, they improvise and tell how they feel trough their singing, which in many times is just a continued loud cry!! Even when you write, you are playing flamenco. Your post is written in E minor!


i would be the first person to say "IT's Not Flamenco.":)

Faya: I have to disagree with you. Flamenco is and will continue to be a struggle of a group of people that has fusioned through circumnstances of life, through wars, problems, miseries, happiness, etc. Flamenco continue to be evolving in many ways. Paco Pena describe it very simply in Juliam Bream's LA GUITARRA video.

In the same video, Bream shows the influences that flamenco has received from the Hispanic America. Or would you tell me that PEDRO NAVAJA (a true Puerto Rican song describing the life and death of a pimp) is not a wonderful flamenco piece when played, sang, and danced? That video shows a bit of Pedro Navaja.

Don Pepe,...............i totally agree with you on this!! 8)
While i myself consider everything i do as "Flamenco" as my signature by Camaron says................i would rather say that what i play isn't flamenco then have to defend myself constantly to the so called "Puros"..........i would like them to enjoy my music as well.............so if i have to say it isn't "Flamenco" to do that then by all means that's what i'll do....... :wink:
Besides most people think that in order for something to be "Flamenco" it has to be played with in some form of "12 beat compas" which is true to the most extent of things,(comercailly mostly),...............but there are some of us who believe "Flamenco" is the inner most feelings of a certain culture or people who have every right to change it if they want,( no matter where you are from!),..........in order to let out what we feel without any boundries of set compas......... :idea: :wink:......................

And yes!!,.............i totaly believe that Pedro Navaja is flamencura 100%

So as you can see if it'll keep people off my back.............i will gladly say i don't play flamenco,(it's just a word),..................eventhough i AM flamenco!!! :lol: :wink:

Thanks Pepe!!!...........you are a Wise and Openminded person!! 8) :D

Sam,..............i'll whip something up and put it on my soundclick page.........might be a little while though cuz' i'm really tight on time these days........ :)

NOW that i think of it!!!...........Controversy is good publicity!!! :idea:
Sooooo...............i play Flamenco!!!..........and so does Ottmar & Charo!!! :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: COOCHI ! COOCHI !......... :lol: :lol:

[Pepe Vergara]

One of the most wonderful experiences I had with flamenco was watching the movie Carmen (1983) based on the Opera Carmen. It is actually on video, the dancing company was Antonio Gades'. The scene at the "tabacalera" (tobacco factory), where they play this wondeful flamenco song, using only their feet. Altough, in that one, I do believe they play with the 12-beat compass. If you have not seen it, then you may be missing something.

[rdc1991]

On behalf of Locust777 who was recently banned from writing about his friend Juan Serrano, I would like to vote for Juan Serrano for him...now he doesn't have to be a name dropper and his vote still gets counted.

Rowdy

[Great Googly Moogly]

Thank you, Rowdy!! :) :)

[Pepe Vergara]

Hola Locust: I have the video of your friend. I bought it about 5 years ago and I only saw it once. He is pretty good flamenco teacher and player. I think Juan Serrano is one of the Spanish flamenco players who will stay in our minds for a long time.

[Great Googly Moogly]

Hola Locust: I have the video of your friend. I bought it about 5 years ago and I only saw it once. He is pretty good flamenco teacher and player. I think Juan Serrano is one of the Spanish flamenco players who will stay in our minds for a long time.Thanks for mentioning that, Pepe! I'm so psyched about this CD, I have to say. This one piece, in particular, I've already started learning by ear. I just finished sending an mp3 to Rowdy for him to check it out. I'm just really anxious to share it with others. I have Libre's email address also so maybe I'll send it to him as well. If he has your email address (or you have his), maybe he can forward it to you? I'm just really curious what other people's reactions will be.

[Faya]

i voted for Juan also a couple of posts back :D .................i also have a couple of books by him. :wink: GREAT!!! is the word i'd use. :!:

Pepe,.........Carmen is cool!........i've seen a few different versions :)

[samwise]

How did Grisha not make the list yet?

[PedroO]

Too young and a little bit of more practice. I got his CD, sometimes he sounds like MdP.

[rdc1991]

I just got done listening to the MP3 that Locust sent me of Mr Serrano and it was very very well played and exciting music. I am not familiar with the flamenco reportoire at all, but this piece (Granadinas) was great.

Rowdy

[Faya]

Hey Loc'......did you ask Juan about the "Minera" yet???
i'd love to hear his take on it :D !!!

[Travis_Warner]

my vote goes to flammencoguru :twisted:

[Jubilee Valence]

On behalf of Locust777 who was recently banned from writing about his friend Juan Serrano, I would like to vote for Juan Serrano for him...now he doesn't have to be a name dropper and his vote still gets counted.

Rowdy ....HUH??? :shock:
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...back to the list....Pepe, thanks for the kind words!

Anytime I can be mentioned ANYWHERE on the same page as "mentor mi" maestro Faya---I'm HONORED!! (Also regarding bro' TK & the others on your list!)....but in all honesty folks, I'm very undisciplined & it's a great honor to be mentioned along with our professional fellow members! :wink:

My "short list" starts with NdeF (Faya) & then of course: "Rodrigo!!"

Followed by: (in no possible sane way of "order"!!??)

Diego del Gastor
Sabicas
Carlos Montoya
Manitas de Platas
PDL...

--followed by the fine players who've shared their dedication here with us--our "fellow members" who post their works! ;)

...my library unfortunately is virtually limited to just these examples--so I'm SEVERELY handicapped in regards to a decent further opinion; However....I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR:

LOCUST777's BEST BUDDY and friend & maestro---

"Juan"!! :mrgreen:

Jubi
ps...I'll tell you all one thing right now, though---"Honorable Mention"(only cuz' he hasn't "unleashed" yet!!! ;) )---is:

DAVE TATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--"YIKES!!!"

I've SEEN & HEARD HIM PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)

[Great Googly Moogly]

Jubi,

What's happenin'? Good to see you floatin' around here!

On behalf of Locust777 who was recently banned from writing about his friend Juan Serrano, I would like to vote for Juan Serrano for him...now he doesn't have to be a name dropper and his vote still gets counted.

Rowdy ....HUH??? :shock:I think what Rowdy meant was that deAlmeida (who is affectionately called "Al De Meola") wanted to "ban" me from name-dropping. But everything's fine now, and from what I can tell, we've all been restored back to "happy family status." The weird thing about how it all turned out is that Al De Meola's comment seemed to have had the reverse effect, sparking an even greater interest in Juan Serrano amongst the forum members and an increased occurrence of Juan's name throughout the forum at large, which is some really wacky, wild stuff when you think about it. (No offense intended for deAlmeida at all in making this observance.)
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...my library unfortunately is virtually limited to just these examples--so I'm SEVERELY handicapped in regards to a decent further opinion; However....I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR:

LOCUST777's BEST BUDDY and friend & maestro---

"Juan"!! :mrgreen:

JubiJubi, if you want to drop me an email at Locust 777 at aol dot com, please feel free and I'll see what I can do to get you some samples from these flamenco CD's I have. I'm definitely anxious to share this with others so feel free to drop me an email if you so wish.

I gotta bounce,
Peace, out . . .
The Briarino

[Great Googly Moogly]

i voted for Juan also a couple of posts back :D .................i also have a couple of books by him. :wink: GREAT!!! is the word i'd use. :!:I saw that, Faya. I'll tell him you voted for him :)

[Faya]

i voted for Juan also a couple of posts back :D .................i also have a couple of books by him. :wink: GREAT!!! is the word i'd use. :!:I saw that, Faya. I'll tell him you voted for him :)

Hey Brian,..............ask about that "Minera" too...........and if ya can get a boot leg of it :wink: .......i'd love to here his version....... 8)

Laterzzzzzz..........

[Mitch]

i voted for Juan also a couple of posts back :D .................i also have a couple of books by him. :wink: GREAT!!! is the word i'd use. :!:I saw that, Faya. I'll tell him you voted for him :)

Wait...Locust - you know Juan Serrano?

[PedroO]

There you go!! Start all over again!!! :D . Who is Juan Serrano?

[Jubilee Valence]

i voted for Juan also a couple of posts back :D .................i also have a couple of books by him. :wink: GREAT!!! is the word i'd use. :!:I saw that, Faya. I'll tell him you voted for him :)

Wait...Locust - you know Juan Serrano?Yo Mitch!!! Yeah man, they hang out together---but he WON'T tell us what Juan & Sabicas likes fer' lunch....let's see here...oh yeah..& it's gonna be like sometime in the NEXT CENTURY before I find out how Juan likes his "action"...(I'm guessin' right around 2mm! ;) )...

oh yeah...& Loc's a little bit taller.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Loc'---e-mail's comin'!! ;)

[cardenas]

Antonio Banderas in Desperado

Who played that music that Banderas was supposed to?


Actually Antonio does play some guitar....but much of the music was from a collaboration done between the director Robert Rodriquez and a fantastic group named Del Castillo. They play a lot of what they call nueva flamenco. I hope to see them when they come to town in a few weeks.

[Mitch]

Jubi - whereya been? I just wanted to fan the flames a bit - thought my joke was obvious....but I know how slow you are.... :wink:

[Jubilee Valence]

...well I can just about guarantee that it AIN'T "8mm"!!! ;)

When are we doin' Tucson?? You talk to Dr James lately?

How'z about a "hot seat" addendum on our topic??? heh heh heh...

"Monte" or "Gaetano"?

ONLY KIDDIN'!!!! :mrgreen:

--'DON'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION!!!! (I know Monte "learned" some of the stuff from Gaetano, right? ;) )

[G]

Too young and a little bit of more practice.

Don't bet on it, PedroO! Who said I play flamenco? I am going the classical way!!! :lol:

My vote goes to Paco de Lucia. You can always find a period in his career that appeals to you.

[Great Googly Moogly]

Here's an alphabetical comprehensive list of all the flamenco players mentioned in this thread. I put it together to show it to "my teacher." I thought it would be cool to post it! Enjoy! :)

Adam Del Monte
Alcazar de Cristal
Camaron
Carlos Montoya
Chicuelo
Chuscales
Diego del Gastor
El Indio Gitano
El Nino Joselo
Gerardo Nunez
Grisha
José Antonio Rodríguez
Juan Manuel Cañizares
Juan Martin
Juan Serrano
La Paquera
Manitas
Manitas de Platas
Manolo de Huelva
Manolo Franco
Manolo Sanlúcar
Mariano Cordoba
Mario Escudero
Miguel Borrull
Moraíto Chico
Niño Miguel
Niño Ricardo
Paco Cepero
Paco de Lucia
Paco Pena
Paco Serrano
Parrilla de Jerez
Pedro Bacan
Pedro Sierra
Pepe and Juan Habichuela
Rafael Riqueni
Ramón Montoya
Rodrigo
Sabicas
Quique Paredes
Tino van der Sman
Tomatito
Vicente Amigo

[Jubilee Valence]

Too young and a little bit of more practice.

Don't bet on it, PedroO! Who said I play flamenco? I am going the classical way!!! :lol:

My vote goes to Paco de Lucia. You can always find a period in his career that appeals to you.

pppsstt! "G"...I think he was just being sarcastic; But you're WAY UP there on anybody's list!!--including mine!! ;)

Man, that video from back in....what was it, like '95 or so??---that's gotta be one for the record books!!! Thanks for that!

I'd have to ask TK to provide us with the link because my pc's acting up--folks really need to see that one!!!

WHEWWWEEEE!!!!

Jubi

[Jubilee Valence]

.....Camaron (critizised for not playing in compass? )
...ya' know 'Loc, they say the same thing about me!

...no compass! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

...like I'm LOST all'a time! :shock:

& Libre wants I should get a.......a.......metrognome to keep me company or something!!?? :roll:

;)

Jubi

-great list!

[samwise]

Too young? :lol:
Even back in 1989 he had it, talk about a must see (http://www.grishagoryachev.com/video/minsk/13czardas_dl_256.wmv)

BTW, you cut me deep, G! :cry: :lol:
I guess it was me that said you played flamenco when I added you to the list.

[G]

Ahh, amigos, don't worry! I may come back! It's just that I haven't practiced flamingo in a while, working on Aranjuez I am to play 3 times starting this Sunday. Tried bullayria yesterday and didn't have the drive... Didn't know why, and then it hit me: it's the same rhythm as the first part of the Concierto and I take liberties there! :wink: I need a metrognome too. :lol:

[Faya]

Hey Brian del Locust,.................you for got my favorite guy
i mentioned :shock: ....... :!: "Rodrigo" :!: the flamenco guitarist.........not to be confused with" J. Rodrigo" the composer!!............

by the way Camaron was a cantaor.......... :wink:

Good job on the list....... 8) .....Other than forgetting "Rodrigo"!!!!.... :twisted: :P :lol: .........

[Great Googly Moogly]

Ha! You know, I might have gotten confused on the Rodrigo thing, thinking that it was Joaquin! Correction made! :)

Gotcha, also, on the Camaron thing. I don't know what any of this means, which is the reason I'm throwing all this together. I put those side notes there for the purpose of running it by "my teacher" to learn more about all of this stuff. I'm going to remove those side notes, also.

[Jubilee Valence]

Ha! You know, I might have gotten confused on the Rodrigo thing, thinking that it was Joaquin! Correction made! :)

:shock: :shock: :shock: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: "DEAD MEAT!!!!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ppst! "G"....try 2mm! ;) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

...only kiddin'!!! Whatever yer' doin'---it's working GREAT!!!! :mrgreen:

Jubi
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I'm heading to the Surplus Store to find me a compass! But I don't know which direction ta' go!! :shock:

....maybe I'll ask the 'gnome!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mitch]

Locust, I'd suggest putting Sabicas on the list a couple more times...

[Great Googly Moogly]

Locust, I'd suggest putting Sabicas on the list a couple more times...From one I understand, a lot of people consider him to be at the "top of the list."

[NGiorgio]

Brian,

I wouldn't be too surprised if your Maestro had him quite high on that list also.

It would be interesting to know who some of his favorites are.

[Great Googly Moogly]

Brian,

I wouldn't be too surprised if your Maestro had him quite high on that list also.

It would be interesting to know who some of his favorites are.I just met with him today and showed him the entire list along with tons of questions I had about flamenco and he did comment on Sabicas among many other things. I took notes so I wouldn't forget all of what he told me. I'll definitely be posting about it when I get home tonight.

Jubi, if you're out there . . .

I won't have my lesson with him until tomorrow at which time I'll be checking on the action.

[NGiorgio]

My bet would be 3mm on the low E and 2.5 on high e. Maybe just a wee bit higher.

[ssante]

1. Vicente Amigo
2. Gerardo Nunez
3. Paco De Lucia
4. Tomatito
5. Sabicas
6. Mario Escudero
7. Manolo Sanlúcar
8. Juan Serrano

[nickc]

Let's not forget Ramon Montoya and Nino Ricardo who are probably greater than any of those that have been mentioned.

[Great Googly Moogly]

Let's not forget Ramon Montoya and Nino Ricardo who are probably greater than any of those that have been mentioned.They have been mentioned, Nick. See page 6 for a comprehensive list off all flamencos mentioned in the entire thread.

[Great Googly Moogly]

1. Vicente Amigo
2. Gerardo Nunez
3. Paco De Lucia
4. Tomatito
5. Sabicas
6. Mario Escudero
7. Manolo Sanlúcar
8. Juan SerranoWow, you added one that had not yet been mentioned and should have been! I added it to the list on page 6.

[nickc]

Paco Pena seems to be missing from the list. No Paco Pena fans out there?

[Great Googly Moogly]

Paco Pena seems to be missing from the list. No Paco Pena fans out there?Added!

[Jubilee Valence]

paco pena....hmmnnn...you mean the guy in my signature?!
:mrgreen:

What's up with the high action thing????
(nobody has it that high....sheeeeshhh...)

Ok...greatest of all time?
-Rodrigo, Diego del Gastor, Little Beans, Carlos & MdP, Juan, PDL etc......tuff choice...

I gotta go with.....

"Faya...."
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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pssst! can't say much except that there might be a video on the way......from an upcomin' juerga....

but ya' didn't hear it from me, see?
(remember that flash on the Solista that got posted at "1,2, Free..."??)

[ssante]

Wow, you added one that had not yet been mentioned and should have been! I added it to the list on page 6.

I love the duets that Mario did with Sabicas. Wonderful. That was my 2nd exposure to Flamenco with Sabicas being 1st.

[tanolonco]

damn, how long has this thread been with us and why am i finally responding? no one mention CHARO. i would have to say that in her prime and playing the guitar naked she would have to rank #1. with clothes on she would rank down the list with SABICAS holding the top spot.

[Great Googly Moogly]

Charo naked? Maybe. But with clothes on, I don't think she should make the list :)

Stephanie,

I think Mauro is in this shot somewhere but I can't remember which one he is. That's Paco, of course, on the far right. This is when Paco came to NY at which time he met Sabicas for the first time.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/Locust777/19PacodeLucia.jpg

[ssante]

I am quite sure Mario is 2nd from left.

[Great Googly Moogly]

I think you are right. :)

[Jubilee Valence]

uhhh...Faya called Charo way back there....."coochie-coochie!!"

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

ps...and don't fer'get Jose Feliciano!

[ssante]

pssst! can't say much except that there might be a video on the way......from an upcomin' juerga....

but ya' didn't hear it from me, see?


Hey Jubilee,

Can't wait to see the video of an upcoming juerga... awesome. Would love to see you playing your Pepe.

[Jubilee Valence]

uhh...that particular juerga's gonna be in the midwest & I can't possibly be there; I'm in Arizona and had a devastating "lifestyle change" Dec. 18th '06...

It's extremely unlikely that I'll be contributing anything in the foreseeable future; sorry but I thought maybe you knew...

Cheers!

[ssante]

uhh...that particular juerga's gonna be in the midwest & I can't possibly be there; I'm in Arizona and had a devastating "lifestyle change" Dec. 18th '06...

It's extremely unlikely that I'll be contributing anything in the foreseeable future; sorry but I thought maybe you knew...

Cheers!

I did not know about "lifestyle change" and still don't. But am very sorry to hear that Jubilee. I had assumed it was your juerga. I am sorry.

[ssante]

Ok...greatest of all time?
-Rodrigo, Diego del Gastor, Little Beans, Carlos & MdP, Juan, PDL etc..

Jubilee,

Who is "Little Beans"?

[Jubilee Valence]

I did not know about "lifestyle change" and still don't. But am very sorry to hear that Jubilee. I had assumed it was your juerga. I am sorry.

ohhh!!!! if we got a juerga somewhere uhhhh close---heh heh heh---I'll make it!!!!????

:mrgreen:
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got'cha!! ;)

[Y-2-H]

It’s impossible to say who is the best because each has a different style and you may like them all.

If you wanna talk about who is better at techniques and sound qualities in general apart from the music style I’d defo go with Paco de Lucía!

[Jubilee Valence]

Jubilee,

Who is "Little Beans"?

OOOPS!
...sorry!

Time Magazine June 26th 1944

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,850604,00.html

An interview with old friends upon the passing of Augie' Campos

http://www.flamenco-world.com/artists/ninadelapuebla/nina.htm

I added this second link because of the dual "flash" comments
(he loved to show off in the old days with the flashy one handed stuff like his buddy Carlos! :mrgreen: )

[ssante]

Here's an alphabetical comprehensive list of all the flamenco players mentioned in this thread. I put it together to show it to "my teacher." I thought it would be cool to post it! Enjoy! :)

Adam Del Monte
Alcazar de Cristal
Camaron
Carlos Montoya
Chicuelo
Chuscales
Diego del Gastor
El Indio Gitano
El Nino Joselo
Gerardo Nunez
Grisha
José Antonio Rodríguez
Juan Manuel Cañizares
Juan Martin
Juan Serrano
La Paquera
Manitas
Manitas de Platas
Manolo de Huelva
Manolo Franco
Manolo Sanlúcar
Mariano Cordoba
Mario Escudero
Miguel Borrull
Moraíto Chico
Niño Miguel
Niño Ricardo
Paco Cepero
Paco de Lucia
Paco Pena
Paco Serrano
Parrilla de Jerez
Pedro Bacan
Pedro Sierra
Pepe and Juan Habichuela
Rafael Riqueni
Ramón Montoya
Rodrigo
Sabicas
Quique Paredes
Tino van der Sman
Tomatito
Vicente Amigo

What about René Heredia?

[bacsidoan]

Here's an alphabetical comprehensive list of all the flamenco players mentioned in this thread. I put it together to show it to "my teacher." I thought it would be cool to post it! Enjoy! :)

Adam Del Monte
Alcazar de Cristal
Camaron
Carlos Montoya
Chicuelo
Chuscales
Diego del Gastor
El Indio Gitano
El Nino Joselo
Gerardo Nunez
Grisha
José Antonio Rodríguez
Juan Manuel Cañizares
Juan Martin
Juan Serrano
La Paquera
Manitas
Manitas de Platas
Manolo de Huelva
Manolo Franco
Manolo Sanlúcar
Mariano Cordoba
Mario Escudero
Miguel Borrull
Moraíto Chico
Niño Miguel
Niño Ricardo
Paco Cepero
Paco de Lucia
Paco Pena
Paco Serrano
Parrilla de Jerez
Pedro Bacan
Pedro Sierra
Pepe and Juan Habichuela
Rafael Riqueni
Ramón Montoya
Rodrigo
Sabicas
Quique Paredes
Tino van der Sman
Tomatito
Vicente Amigo


What? No love for Professor Diaz?:confused:

[Great Googly Moogly]

What about René Heredia?I don't know, maybe he should be put in. What does everybody else think?

What? No love for Professor Diaz?:confused:LOL Doesn't he belong in the "Persistent, Most Irritating Spammers" list? :)

[ssante]

I don't know, maybe he should be put in. What does everybody else think?


RE: Rene Heredia

René Heredia was raised with the guitar. He began his training with his father, a Gitano Puro (pure Gypsy). He remembers always having a house full of Flamencos including Carlos Montoya, Vincente and Mario Escudero, Sabicas and many more. They all became close friends of the family. Sabicas would help teach René the secrets of Flamenco around his mother’s kitchen table.

His international recognition came when he was seventeen and Flamenco dancer Carmen Amaya selected him to be her lead guitarist. He toured many years with Amaya performing the major capitals of Europe and the United States. He was also lead guitarist for the Spanish dancer José Greco.

While living in Paris, Heredia’s album Alborada Flamenca was awarded the prestigious Gran Prix de Disque of France. In the United States he has performed solo concerts at Carnegie Recital Hall in New York City, the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion and the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles and myriad radio and television appearances. He has played command performances for royalty such as Price Rainier and Princess Grace of Monaco, Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, Queen Noor of Jordan, and dignitaries including US Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

from: http://www.marketplaceonmeadowdrive.com/press/March09_guitarist.html

[Great Googly Moogly]

Isn't it safe to say, though, that he may be "beefing up" his resume just a bit? No? :)

[ssante]

Isn't it safe to say, though, that he may be "beefing up" his resume just a bit? No? :)

IMHO:

Nope. Not in this case. Check his site and the Gallery. Rene Heredia is bonafide.

[Jubilee Valence]

Here's an alphabetical comprehensive list of all the flamenco players mentioned in this thread. I put it together to show it to "my teacher." I thought it would be cool to post it! Enjoy! :)

Adam Del Monte
Alcazar de Cristal
Camaron
Carlos Montoya
Chicuelo
Chuscales
Diego del Gastor
El Indio Gitano
El Nino Joselo
Gerardo Nunez
Grisha
José Antonio Rodríguez
Juan Manuel Cañizares
Juan Martin
Juan Serrano
La Paquera
Manitas
Manitas de Platas
Manolo de Huelva
Manolo Franco
Manolo Sanlúcar
Mariano Cordoba
Mario Escudero
Miguel Borrull
Moraíto Chico
Niño Miguel
Niño Ricardo
Paco Cepero
Paco de Lucia
Paco Pena
Paco Serrano
Parrilla de Jerez
Pedro Bacan
Pedro Sierra
Pepe and Juan Habichuela
Rafael Riqueni
Ramón Montoya
Rodrigo
Sabicas
Quique Paredes
Tino van der Sman
Tomatito
Vicente Amigo
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c27/jubiduuu123/clif-dragon-1.gif

Ahemm-mmnn-nnn.......right out of his own mouf', he says it's a "list"....& a "comprehensive" one at that....

At least he made it "alphabetical" so you can see real easy where he screwed up....on purpose....

Yer' lucky it ain't closin' time, clyde....

If he says one more word about Rene ie "slander", then let the webmaster know...

This guys is ALWAYS the first to cry foul---he even admitted to complaining to the webhead when Diaz showed up & I nailed him---& THEN he changed his tune....

Hey Brian.....show this "list" to Juan....keep up the bs......it's only gonna come back on ya'.....

My money's on somebody who aint even on the (GrEaTgOoGlYs) list....neither is the #2 guy.....

"add......"hominum....
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Put'cher money where yer' mouf' is...

OPRE!
ROMA!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c27/jubiduuu123/untitled-1.jpg

[at_leo_87]

why is camaron on the list? is there a camaron that plays guitar?

[Great Googly Moogly]

Does everyone here realize that this list is over three years old and is nothing more than a collection of all of the names mentioned here in this thread? Feel free to keep adding to it if you wish.

[Great Googly Moogly]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/Locust777/KingDavidpissingonDragon.jpg

[ssante]

why is camaron on the list? is there a camaron that plays guitar?

There are Utube videos of Camaron playing guitar.

[NGiorgio]

Come on guys, let's play nice.;-)

Actually, not that this is anything new, how about differentiating between current, actively performing guitarists like PdL, Tomatito, Vicente Amigo etc. and those masters of the past such as Sabicas, the Montoyas, N.Ricardo etc.

I believe that would place favorites in a much better perspective.

Just my 3 cents .............

[ssante]

Come on guys, let's play nice.;-)

Actually, not that this is anything new, how about differentiating between current, actively performing guitarists like PdL, Tomatito, Vicente Amigo etc. and those masters of the past such as Sabicas, the Montoyas, N.Ricardo etc.

I believe that would place favorites in a much better perspective.

Just my 3 cents .............

Wonderful idea!

[cuchares]

La Paquera?
Camaron accompanied himself before the hook up w/ PDL.
PDL's father didn't teach him to sing.
El Indio Gitano is a singer as well but probably plays.
His Primo Jose Salazar (Son of singer Porrina de Badajoz) was a monster player.
Then there's:
Javier Molina,Juan Maya Morate,Andres Batista,mario escudero,Diego castellon,Luis Molina,Luis maravilla,Paco del gastor,Juan del Gastor,Diego de Moron,Augustine Rios,Esteban de San Lucar,Jose Motos

[Jubilee Valence]

Does everyone here realize that this list is over three years old and is nothing more than a collection of all of the names mentioned here in this thread? Feel free to keep adding to it if you wish.

ok....I think this one's right up yer' alley....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

ok...just kiddin'....try this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7F9VcMpdUA&feature=channel

pssst!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPmIJyi0sc

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

btw our new member knows his stuff!

Welcome cuchares!!
:mrgreen:

[oc chuck]

[QUOTE=Jubilee Valence;115888]ok....I think this one's right up yer' alley....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI


OLE!!! Mucho duende!!!

[ssante]

ok....I think this one's right up yer' alley....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

ok...just kiddin'....try this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7F9VcMpdUA&feature=channel

pssst!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPmIJyi0sc

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

btw our new member knows his stuff!

Welcome cuchares!!
:mrgreen:

Disco at its best. This guy is great.

[Jubilee Valence]

Haaa!!! You guys just got Rick Rolled!!!!

Ok, back *on topic...we fer'got to include:

"Antonio Banderas" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
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[Todd in FL]

Haaa!!! You guys just got Rick Rolled!!!!

Ok, back *on topic...we fer'got to include:

"Antonio Banderas" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
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* :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38vZp_whZtc

Turn up your volume cuz this is really a good flamenco piece.

[Jubilee Valence]

Here's an interesting bit of trivia (from ten years ago..)

George Benson in an interview--

Quote: "Another guy I heard recently that just knocked me out was a young guitar player in Spain. His name was Tomatito, which means little tomato. Man, this guy is just magnificent. His rhythm and tonality and his approach is masterful. He is flamenco, but you still hear jazz, blues and the whole bag."

Link:
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/iviews/gbenson.htm