beautiful piece, well played

[oc chuck]

Beautiful piece, well played........

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/view.cgi?id=koh0130&now=1&jd=-1&search_type=title&search_string=tango&csearch=1&ino=321&tmp_no=546

From Dr. Koh's Guitar Sarang VOD

looks like a john gilbert guitar....?????????

[Section_10]

veeery nice, I like his playing a lot. It does look like Gilbert guitar, Sanders uses a rosette like that as well. Sounds like a good guitar though.

[nylon6]

The acoustic sounds as if it's indoors...could he be "finger-synching"? I don't think that's a Gilbert...similar, though.

[vabbb]

This guy play well. Finger synching? Come on, John Williams did a an outdoor video (for lack of a better word), what was it called, Sevilla? I don't think it was finger synching and it sounded great.

That rosette does make me think of John Gilbert's, Su Meng played a guitar with a very similar rosette.

[vabbb]

Just found it, The Seville Concert was the name of the thing. Could you tell it was recorded outdoors?

[Section_10]

Yeah its not Gilbert exactly but similar style. Has Ramirez style head, and does have the sculpted bridge right? Doesn't sound as 'airy' as a Gilbert but probably is a more recent one? Sounds nice.

[vabbb]

Man, I have no idea how some of you guys can tell the difference between guitar sounds from a mp3/youtube video. Are you listening to it through a megabuck sound system? I just got my laptop speakers and they all sound the same.

By the way, anyone know any good guitar luthiers/clubs/hang out place in Korea? I'm heading that way and want to check things out.

[nylon6]

I have altec lansing speakers...decent but not state of the art. I used to be a recording engineer, so my ears are quite sensitive to sounds/acoustic environments.

[MWA]

Obviously a Gilbert

[Folio]

Yes it is obviously a Gilbert.

Ramirez headstock :roll: Section I HAD such respect for you. :wink:

Of course the tuners have been replaced...

BTW, is it me or does he need to read Dyens instructions on not playing this too seriously but infusing some french cheekiness instead.

[Section_10]

it kinda does have a bit of a Ramirez head look, doesnt it?

But yes his phrasing can be a little bit harsh, nice pause then, rushes back in, a little too shocking for the smooth feel of the tango.

[Axel]

Hmm I have a feeling Dyens would want to smack him in the back of the head if he played the piece like that for him.
I once heard a story of a guy performing this for Dyens in a master class, and he used slurs during the scale passage just like this guy does and he was furious.
Dyens is very meticulous in his markings and has even invented some of his own so that people can try to better achieve what he has in mind and when people totally ignore his markings.... :roll: My poor friend was victim of his onslaught this past summer in the Brno festival.
I mean he even wrote a little story about the piece and pleaded that the peformers NOT alter the tempo but noone listens.

[Folio]

Hey Axel, I've always been a little confused by his marking...he has pima, pima for the last half but do you im the first half? I'll have to look at again to remind myself...

I guess I'm guilty of ignoring them cause I got tired of trying to switch mid-stream and just im the whole thing.

Oh yeah, Section, yeah I see it a little bit...I play a Gilbert just about everyday so it's second nature.

[Section_10]

amusing story Axel. It sounds odd to play a piece in front of the person that wrote it. I have mixed feelings about this type of thing. When you write a piece, you should still be open minded about the piece, years later Dyens himself won't be playing it the same way. Although parts of this gentlemens playing I like a lot, some of it I do feel is lacking as Dyens would think.

It reminds me of watching Jorge Morel play, He's one of my favorite composers, but I dont like the way he plays his pieces at all. Should I force myself to like it since he is the one who wrote it? Or is it possible to be a better composer than you are performer/player?

Using slurs to an anti-slur performer such as Barreuco or similar, you should know ahead of time that they are going to disagree. I think slurs are necessary for the guitar, its part of the intimacy of the instrument.

Perhaps Dyen is just being a Frenchman? Fanton D'Anon Anon Danon is the same way with other guitar makers. He's even rudely dismissed/ignored the meeting of other new French luthiers as he claims that he is by far the best French maker. Dyens and D'anon Fanon Don ano have parted ways since then anyway.

[Axel]

Folio my edition doesn't list the fingering for the first 4 notes but on my teacher's version of the orchestral tango it lists p,i,p,i and that's what I've been using. Have you guys noticed that the same exact scale is used in Villa-lobo's concerto? :lol: I always played "a" during the next part which I probably shouldn't do since it forces me to play "a" twice in a row. (especially after a fast scale!) Do you use m or i after the scale? I guess I just like the "a" since it's what I use to play it later during the little chord.

Section_10 I know what you mean and I'm sure the guy who played it on the video did it due to his own taste. The slurs in the scale I can see argued as fitting into the way he phrases it. The student in question in my story however admitted using slurs to make it easier. I think he plays well, but I really don't like the long breaths he takes during some of the opening sections. I like my tangos steady and rhythmic, not impossible to dance to, but that's just me! Also, I see no reason to alter the dynamics, especially the last 2 chords, fortissssssimoo!!

[Great Googly Moogly]

That piece was beyond words incredible.

[oc chuck]

compare three versions:

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/list.cgi?id=koh0130&search_string=tango&search_type=title

including Dyens himself.

As a guitar solo, I prefer the Byung-Woo and Fukuda versions,
although Dyens' is probably more true to real tango.

P.S.
RE: finger synching. After listening to Byung-Woo 4 or 5 times,
I realized I couldn't hear the fountains in the background!!!!

[Folio]

axel, I used to pi the first half but could never get it to sound how I wanted. I decided Slava uses rest stroke im so thats what I do now.

chuck, your link didn't work for me but I've seen the other two before. Fukuda is a little weak with it, which surprised me.

This is always been a conflicted piece for me...first off, it's not a "real tango" as the title implies its fakeness. The musical bits a full of cliche and then its got some flashy bits that impress people but are really not difficult. Byung-Woo actually "cheats" on the only two parts that are a little tricky. If the video itself wasn't as flashy with all the camera changes, I would cut him more slack. But his facial expressions make me cringe and think he just doesn't get it.

Dyens himself seems all over the place when talking about this...on the one hand dismissing it as a drunk party experiment and then insistening strict adherence to his markings (btw, in the video he doesn't follow his own fingering on the descending run where you strum w/p then ima open E, watch how he fingers the last chord axel.)

Basically, this is a fun piece that should be played with the appropriate cheesiness when in the company of other musicians. Alternatively, if you trying to pick up girls, while chilling at public fountain, play it like Byung-Woo.

[oc chuck]

for the dyens video:

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/view.cgi?id=koh0130&now=1&jd=-1&search_type=title&search_string=tango&csearch=1&ino=320&tmp_no=545

The previous website I posted is hit and miss for some reason........

Then there is this:

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/list.cgi?id=koh0130&now=1

Type in tango at the bottom and click on enter ( E>>o )....

[Great Googly Moogly]

I wanted to save the Lee Byung-Woo to my favorites in YouTube but I guess you can't do that from the view that we're getting here? What is this anyway? A new feature of YouTube?

[Todd]

Ive yet to hear this piece the way i'd personally like to hear it.

Even Roland himself doesnt really attack the runs the way
i'd like him to.

I hear this piece being played with more muscle, and more strict tempo.
With some flamenco attitude.

I hope to eventually play it the way i hear it. :)
TK

[Jubilee Valence]

for the dyens video:

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/view.cgi?id=koh0130&now=1&jd=-1&search_type=title&search_string=tango&csearch=1&ino=320&tmp_no=545

The previous website I posted is hit and miss for some reason........

Then there is this:

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/list.cgi?id=koh0130&now=1

Type in tango at the bottom and click on enter ( E>>o )....

oc chuck---forgive my blatant ignorance---please, 'bro! But, uhhh who's this guy rippin' this thing right on the money???

It says "Paris, France..." so is this like, "the man" himself?

.....pretty slick!

Even his blur......is......is......"clean!"
(too clean! ;) )

Anyway.........pretty slick!

Oh--btw--I love the first guy's interpretation!!! Pretty down ta' earth!!!

Jubi
ps--thanks for the lists!!

[Folio]

Then there is this:

http://board4.cgiworld.dreamwiz.com/list.cgi?id=koh0130&now=1


Ok, that worked better...I take back what I said about Shinichi, I guess I hadn't seen this vid recently, he's still a God to me. If you watch after he plays the final chord he gives a little flaired finish with a smile on his face...he gets it.

[racer_x]

After hearing both versions I would have to say that the first one sounds strange with all the pausing and hammerons for the passages. Those notes sound better struck IMO. That piece has some attitude no doubt. I really dig it. Thanks for posting.

[mokotoff]

Yes it is obviously a Gilbert.



Though I never owned it my old teacher (Mike Lorimer) let me keep his Gilbert for a few months back when I was studying regularly with him...it IS a Gilbert, sounds like it, looks like it , smells like it...:) that rosette and bridge are unmistakable

[Grek]

Todd,

have you ever heard Krzysztof Pelech's version? It's on his first disc, if you can find it. It's incredibly musical and fiery!

Greg